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My Boundary Challenge

Discussion in 'Physical & Life Sciences' started by AV1611VET, Oct 6, 2016.

  1. FrumiousBandersnatch

    FrumiousBandersnatch Well-Known Member

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    What do you mean by 'radiating fruit flies' ? are you talking about irradiating fruit flies?
    Do you have a link or a reference to this?
     
  2. FrumiousBandersnatch

    FrumiousBandersnatch Well-Known Member

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    There are testable results in the examples mentioned in the paper, and in other references it uses.
     
  3. 98cwitr

    98cwitr Lord forgive me Staff Member Red Team - Moderator Supporter

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  4. Grengor

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    I'm just surprised how many names I recognize. After all this time...my word.
     
  5. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    Science will change with new discoveries and will end in and with the truth in scripture, and that's also, in the midst of that, is where the Bible will pick up...

    God Bless!
     
  6. Subduction Zone

    Subduction Zone Regular Member

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    That belief is belied by the constant evidence that show the Bible to be terribly wrong in matters of science.
     
  7. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    Science will change and so will the commonly held for years interpretations of the scriptures and the two will meet, eventually, it is inevitable...

    God Bless!

    Changes like this: Genesis: Another Kind of Reality... Hebrew language...
     
  8. Subduction Zone

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    No. Not really. We know that life, including human life is the product of evolution. That will simply not change. There is no evidence for any other idea and a literal interpretation of the Bible has been refuted. The same applies to the Noah's Ark story. It did not happen. Now you may run into a very small number of dishonest and incompetent scientists that try to claim otherwise, but they are easily refuted.
     
  9. Strathos

    Strathos No one important

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    That's a loaded question, as it assumes that they operate on the same subject.
     
  10. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    Have you read Genesis in Hebrew and understood the meaning of the Hebrew words and see how'd you interpret it then? Did you even read and be open to trying to see my point of view in the posts in the link and what was said in it/them, or do you just automatically discount it, cause of your closed mind...

    ToE cannot explain everything by the way, though it is taught by many that it can, but that's just wrong and a lie, some things in it are correct, but some other things are not, or at least cannot be proven but is treated like it can but is based on some pretty far-reaching assumptions, if they would be honest about it...

    Ark in Hebrew is simply a vessel or more generally a container in which one takes refuge in or is held in for safety, or safe storage (from something) in the Hebrew... There is no difference or distinction between Noah's Ark and the Ark of the Covenant or the Ark that Moses was placed in as a Babe... In the Hebrew, there's no difference... And there are other "Ark's" as well... We say Chest, basket, boat, we make distinctions, the Original Hebrew does not, because they are the same, and in that way in which they are "all the same" lies the correct, intended interpretation by God...

    Apply this to other Hebrew words and your understanding can become more enlightened...

    Science can not prove the things you are claiming that it can easily refute either, Like Noah's story...

    Even if it could, spiritually speaking is accurate, very real, and true... But, You have to look into the original Hebrew for that type of interpretation...

    God Bless!
     
  11. Larnievc

    Larnievc Well-Known Member

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    You can't because it doesn't.
     
  12. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    Are you denying that currently held scientific theories will be changed in the future, as will currently held interpretations of scripture? Or that one is more or less infallible than the other? When the real truth is that currently, both are fallible? It is impossible for them not to be fallible, cause man's idea's have always been fallible... both man's scientific ideas, (especially anything in science that can only be called a "theory" right now), and man's interpretations of scriptures, (which are also mostly theories), cause both cannot be accurately, especially with "infallible" reliability right now, can be infallibly known right now... to claim that either is right now, is very closed minded...
     
  13. GrowingSmaller

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    Is that claim falsifiable?
     
  14. GrowingSmaller

    GrowingSmaller Muslm Humanist

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    What about the maths in science, or the logic, is math falsifiable? Can science add up without it?
     
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  15. Neogaia777

    Neogaia777 Apprentice Supporter

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    Why do they need two different kinds of math for the sub-atomic world and the non-subatomic world?

    If math is in-falsifiable, why two different kinds? One or the other has to be right or wrong for it not to be... I think both are currently wrong, not totally or completely wrong, their is some truth to them, but also some error as well (as with everything else)... It's going to take some tweaking in the future, and not because number's lie, but because man's interpretations of how the numbers are supposed to work can lie... I think the truth is somewhere in the middle or in-between...

    I've always wondered this...? Man came up with the whole mathematical system operating in or on multiples of "tens" right...? And many think this is due to the fact that we have five fingers and five toes, but, what about the people who had six fingers and six toes? Would they have built or created a numeric system based on multiples of twelve's instead of ten's...? and would this change the math, or not...?

    Always wondered that...?

    God Bless!
     
  16. Subduction Zone

    Subduction Zone Regular Member

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    No need. There is only so much reinterpretation that one can make of the Bible.

    I never said that it could, and no one teaches that it can explain everything. The theory of evolution only explains how life got to its current state once that it existed billions of years ago.

    What led you to this crazy argument? The simple fact is that at no time has the entire surfacee of the Earth been underwater. At no time have all of the various animal populations been lowered to two of each "kind" (whatever that is). Tell me which version that you believe in and I can explain to you how it is wrong.
    Wrong again. Science cannot absolutely prove things, but it can refute claims.

    Now you are simply grasping at straws.

    Try to bring up your claims one at a time. I am not bothering with extreme parsing the Bible to try to make it true.
     
  17. Subduction Zone

    Subduction Zone Regular Member

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    You should try to learn what a theory is before you attempt to belittle it. And don't accuse others of your sins.
     
  18. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member

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    Where science doesn't directly detect it assumes via inference based on observation.
     
  19. lesliedellow

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    Science ends where investigation of the physical world ends.

    The Bible picks up where Christian theology and devotion picks up.

    Could it be simpler? Don't think so.
     
  20. Radrook

    Radrook Well-Known Member

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    There are things that happen in the realm of the very small which are mathematically baffling. For example a scattering of electrons behave as if they were particles when you don't try to measure them at their exit point through two holes and like waves when you don't. So it's like saying that 2+2 4 only if you don't look at it with a critical eye. If you do, then 2+2 might notice your interest and decide that it now equals 5.

     
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