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In Bewitched, Mr. Stephens counted on myopics and incredulity to hide his wife's supernatural talents, should they be accidentally observed.

An excellent example is Mrs. Kravitz, who lived across the street and actually observed with her own eyes what was happening, but couldn't convince her husband, who thought she was loosing her mind ... despite the fact that it was he, not she, that was in the wrong.

What can be done that can prevent science from making this mistake in real life?
 

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Well, that's interesting but it was a TV show. Is there real science proving there's a bunch of wives out there with mystical powers and twitching noses?

If so, let me know. It would make housecleaning a lot easier.
 
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Is there real science proving there's a bunch of wives out there with mystical powers and twitching noses?
Ask the Mr. Kravitz' of the science world.
 
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Why would I bother?
Well ... seeing as you're the one who asked.

Heaven forbid I would get an answer to my challenge, and not questions, eh?

My answer to your question ... and then please don't feel like you have to answer mine ... is a resounding NO.

There is no real science proving, or even demonstrating ... mystical [sic] powers.

That's because science is myopic and runs on incredulity.
 
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Well ... seeing as you're the one who asked.

Heaven forbid I would get an answer to my challenge, and not questions, eh?

My answer to your question ... and then please don't feel like you have to answer mine ... is a resounding NO.

There is no real science proving, or even demonstrating ... mystical [sic] powers.

That's because science is myopic and runs on incredulity.

I often wonder when I see stuff like this: Are you inventing something, working on inventing something, thinking about inventing something or just throwing stuff out here?

For me, and bless your heart, this is totally ridiculous based on a 1960 - something sitcom and I don't do witchcraft. That's very odd to bring up in a Christian forum as well. You are trying to combine witchcraft with some kind of theory about some kind of technology that won't work.

God bless you.
 
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I often wonder when I see stuff like this: Are you inventing something, working on inventing something, thinking about inventing something or just throwing stuff out here?

For me, and bless your heart, this is totally ridiculous based on a 1960 - something sitcom and I don't do witchcraft. That's very odd to bring up in a Christian forum as well. You are trying to combine witchcraft with some kind of theory about some kind of technology that won't work.

God bless you.
Either that, or I'm simply trying to get those who rely on the scientific method to push Satan's agenda here that their science is myopic.

If I was a real scientist ... and an honest one ... (there's a contradiction in terms) ... and I read this challenge ... I would reply with one word:

Nothing.

The rest can ... well ... just ask questions and make empty remarks.

IOW, carry on as usual.
 
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Either that, or I'm simply trying to get those who rely on the scientific method to push Satan's agenda here that their science is myopic.

If I was a real scientist ... and an honest one ... (there's a contradiction in terms) ... and I read this challenge ... I would reply with one word:

Nothing.

The rest can ... well ... just ask questions and make empty remarks.

IOW, carry on as usual.

Did I pass?
 
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Well, that's interesting but it was a TV show. Is there real science proving there's a bunch of wives out there with mystical powers and twitching noses?

If so, let me know. It would make housecleaning a lot easier.

Real science doesn't "prove" anything. It only makes predictions about future experiments or observations. For example, there were a handful of scientific predictions about the expansion of the universe due to the big bang and literally none of them have been correct. Even the difficult reality of accelerating expansion is beginning to crumble.
 
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In Bewitched, Mr. Stephens counted on myopics and incredulity to hide his wife's supernatural talents, should they be accidentally observed.

An excellent example is Mrs. Kravitz, who lived across the street and actually observed with her own eyes what was happening, but couldn't convince her husband, who thought she was loosing her mind ... despite the fact that it was he, not she, that was in the wrong.

What can be done that can prevent science from making this mistake in real life?
I assume you're casting Christians, or God, as the witch here? Remind me, what was the Christian view of witches in Salem 1692/3?

In the program, Samantha is very careful not be be seen and leaves no evidence of her shenanigans. For some reason there is a distinct need to deceive normal mortals. I'd say the obvious solution to the problem is for those with supernatural powers to stop being so deceitful and get things out in the open.
 
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That's because science is myopic and runs on incredulity

Either that, or I'm simply trying to get those who rely on the scientific method to push Satan's agenda here that their science is myopic.

If I was a real scientist ... and an honest one ... (there's a contradiction in terms) ... and I read this challenge ... I would reply with one word:

Nothing.

If only you'd practice what you preach and abandon all the fruits of the scientific endeavours you seem to dislike so much. Try throwing your satanic computer out of the window for a start.
 
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Either that, or I'm simply trying to get those who rely on the scientific method to push Satan's agenda here that their science is myopic.

There is nothing myopic about science. Its concern is with the physical world, and nothing else. If creationists find some of its discoveries disconcerting - well, that's just tuff.
 
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Its concern is with the physical world, and nothing else.
That is correct.
If the earth had a supernatural beginning there is no possible way for science to ever discover the truth. Science will never discover how to make an ax head float, how to walk on water or how to revive people three days dead. Just as science cannot show how these things are possible, it cannot show they didn't happen. Science cannot disprove a six day creation, only offer possibilities that conform to natural law. Science cannot disprove a 6,000 year old earth, only give their own interpretations based in conformity to natural law. Where science fans are wrong is that they don't realize that there are other alternatives.
 
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That is correct.
If the earth had a supernatural beginning there is no possible way for science to ever discover the truth. Science will never discover how to make an ax head float, how to walk on water or how to revive people three days dead. Just as science cannot show how these things are possible, it cannot show they didn't happen. Science cannot disprove a six day creation, only offer possibilities that conform to natural law. Science cannot disprove a 6,000 year old earth, only give their own interpretations based in conformity to natural law. Where science fans are wrong is that they don't realize that there are other alternatives.

You are coming perilously close to postulating the God who deliberately plants false evidence to mislead scientists.
 
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You are coming perilously close to postulating the God who deliberately plants false evidence to mislead scientists.
Only those who can't read his very detailed explanation of how He did it.
Don't blame God because you reject His word and make your own explanation of how the earth came into being. He told us very specifically.
 
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Only those who can't read his very detailed explanation of how He did it.
Don't blame God because you reject His word and make your own explanation of how the earth came into being. He told us very specifically.
Right. This is not about God, not about theists versus atheists, it's about the Bible, as usual.
 
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Only those who can't read his very detailed explanation of how He did it.
Don't blame God because you reject His word and make your own explanation of how the earth came into being. He told us very specifically.

No he didn't. He inspired a text which identifies himself as the creator of all that is, leaving no space for pagan deities to play a role, which highlights the special role of humans as the custonians of his earthly creation, outlines their responsibllities towards God, and so on.

What it most certainly does not do is deliver a physics or biology lesson.
 
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Right. This is not about God, not about theists versus atheists, it's about the Bible, as usual.
Wrong as usual. You need to follow the thread. The statement was made and agreed to that science concerns itself only with the physical world. It was stipulated that, given that, science could not possibly account for a supernatural creation which is what is claimed and stated through the Scriptures. It was further pointed out that the story of creation was very unambiguous; that God wasn't deceiving anyone. That was what was being commented upon.
 
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