Mutations that result in evolution.

[Micaiah]

What are the requirements of the type of mutation that evolutionists believe can turn the first theorised living organism into a person over time through the process of evolution.

Here is my list of requirements:

1. The mutation is random
2. The mutation results in an increase in the number of base pairs.
3. The mutation results in a viable change that gives a survival advantage.
4. The mutation must involved no more than a single nucleotide.

Note: This is not the place to debate the points in someones list. Simply post your own list of requirements in point form.

Any posts that do not comply will be reported.

 

[Willtor]

1. The mutation is a mutation.

Any posts that do not comply will be reported.

You know, we're typically a little more graceful than this, in this forum. A thread will do what it does.

 

[Jet Black]

What are the requirements of the type of mutation that evolutionists believe can turn the first theorised living organism into a person over time through the process of evolution.

Here is my list of requirements:

1. The mutation is random
2. The mutation results in an increase in the number of base pairs.

not necessary all the time.

3. The mutation results in a viable change that gives a survival advantage.

it might be neutral initially.

4. The mutation must involved no more than a single nucleotide.

no justification.

Note: This is not the place to debate the points in someones list. Simply post your own list of requirements in point form.

Any posts that do not comply will be reported.

this is a discussion forum, and threatening people with reporting them for something that isn't against the rules will not endear people to you. It makes people inclined to just ignore your thread and do what you don't want them to do. The report button is only for things that are against the rules, so if you report us, you are breaking the rules more than we are. If you really want people to comply, what I suggest is this:

you ask nicely, and say that if people want to discuss your points, they can do so in another thread. Attempting to censor conversation only looks bad.

now if you remove the threat and ask nicely, I'll remove this post.

 

[Jet Black]

my only requirement that I can really convince myself of at the moment, is that the mutation does not stop the organism with it from breeding.

 

[TemperateSeaIsland]

1) The mutation isn't lethal.
2)The mutation doesn't lead to sterility.

 

[Elduran]

1) The mutation must propagate.

That's my list really, other than mentioning that if it propagates and as a result the entire species is later wiped out, then it probably didn't do them much good.

 

[Jet Black]

1) The mutation isn't lethal.
2)The mutation doesn't lead to sterility.

(1) is a subset of (2)

 

[Jet Black]

1) The mutation must propagate.

basically a corollary of "the mutation must not lead to sterility"

 

[Micaiah]

5. In multicellular organisms ie. most plants and animals, the mutation must occur in one of the sex cells or gametes.

 

[Jet Black]

5. In multicellular organisms ie. most plants and animals, the mutation must occur in one of the sex cells or gametes.

not strictly true, but quite close. it must occur somewhere along the germ line. say for instance, a cell has been fertilised. It then divides into two cells. If there is a mutation in one of these cells such that one cell is slightly different to the other, and the mutated cell then goes on to create the cells that create the cells ...... that create the genitals, then the mutation may be inherited (with 50% probability).


but good point otherwise, now I have 2.

(1) the mutation must not lead to sterility
(2) the mutation must occur on the germline.

 

[Dragar]

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3. The mutation results in a viable change that gives a survival advantage.

Not a requirement. As JB said, it may be neutral initially, or neutral forever and just happened to end up in the genepool.

Survival advantage is also wrong. You only need to increase reproductive success, and survival advantage is just one way of doing this.

 

[TheBear]

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