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They were warning of the scandals like Benghazi, and all the other channels were defending Obama, and it turned out Fox was right.

But they lied or were wrong on a whole bunch of other stuff.
 
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Oh please. Like I'm going to trust the most corrupt president in our history.

Nixon isn't president anymore.

Oh, you meant Obama. Well, regardless, still a lie by Fox News. Even if it wasn't a lie, what about the myriad other lies they have told that have been exposed?
 
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Benghazi, Wiretapping AP, IRS, Fast and Furious, stirring up racial hatred when he should be calling people down, sending weapons to Islamists in Syria, assassination of Gaddafi, arming the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Ya right.
 
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Benghazi, Wiretapping AP, IRS, Fast and Furious, stirring up racial hatred when he should be calling people down, sending weapons to Islamists in Syria, assassination of Gaddafi, arming the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt.

Ya right.

Still not going to address the exposed lies that Fox News has broadcast, are you?
 
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No, because they didn't lie.

And you know I'm right. Obama is dragging this country into hell.

So when they say things that are factually incorrect, they are not lying? The only defense of that is that they didn't know that the things they were saying were factually incorrect, which just makes them incompetent.

And honestly, as someone who's grown up with socialized universal health care, that Obama is enacting it for you lot is pulling you up from hell.
 
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We already have the best healthcare and the best doctors in the world. It's expensive, and not everyone has it, but it's a lot better than anything any other country has. That's why world leaders come to the U.S. to get treatment.

You may like your country being a "me, me, me give me everything free" kind of country, but that's not what America is. If people stuff their faces and become obese, that's their own fault. Society shouldn't have to pay for other peoples' actions. We're not a babysitter country.

And John Stewart saying something doesn't automatically make it true.
 
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We already have the best healthcare and the best doctors in the world.

Well, that's debatable.

It's expensive, and not everyone has it,

Yeah, and that's a big problem. That it's expensive and not everyone has it.

but it's a lot better than anything any other country has.

Not really. As shown by the average health care costs of other nations, which are lower than in the US.

That's why world leaders come to the U.S. to get treatment.

Yeah, 'cause they can afford it. But what about the high percentage of American citizens who can't?

You may like your country being a "me, me, me give me everything free" kind of country

It's not.

but that's not what America is. If people stuff their faces and become obese, that's their own fault. Society shouldn't have to pay for other peoples' actions. We're not a babysitter country.

You pay for other people's actions all the time. Car insurance, life insurance, taxes... Don't you care for the well being of others?

And John Stewart saying something doesn't automatically make it true.

Of course not. But he was relaying analyses of the things Fox News had said that are false. You still haven't been able to defend the lies that Fox News has reported. For instance, they reported that Obama has racked up more debt than all other presidents combined. That is false. Demonstrably false. So was it a lie or a mistake?
 
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The only people who deserve healthcare are those who work for it. It's not a human right. If they stuff their base and become obese, that's their problem, not ours. Society isn't here to take care of babies. And the emergency room is already open for anyone.

But I have to see that Fox actually said those things first. They could've been comparing him to Bush, as many people do.

And no, this isn't a socialist country. Taxes and social programs aren't charity. They're stealing. If I want to help society, I can donate.
 
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The only people who deserve healthcare are those who work for it. It's not a human right. If they stuff their base and become obese, that's their problem, not ours. Society isn't here to take care of babies. And the emergency room is already open for anyone.

Oh yeah, feel that Christian compassion for those meeker than you.

But I have to see that Fox actually said those things first. They could've been comparing him to Bush, as many people do.
They did say those things.

And no, this isn't a socialist country. Taxes and social programs aren't charity. They're stealing. If I want to help society, I can donate.
If only you did.
 
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Well the Bible says those who don't work don't eat. Why should we pay for leaches? They'll never stop.

Idk if they said those things or not. I've never even seen it. All I hear is John Stewart, but his show is more comedy than news...

And yes, there are many homeless in l.a. I give them money when I can.
 
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Oh yeah, feel that Christian compassion for those meeker than you.

They did say those things.

If only you did.
Lying around smoking crack cocaine and living off the government is not being meek, it is being lazy.
 
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Lying around smoking crack cocaine and living off the government is not being meek, it is being lazy.

And what percentage of the American population falls into that category? Now consider a guy, he's married, got a couple of kids. One of whom is disabled. He works as a teacher. Then he finds out he has cancer. But he has no health insurance, and the treatments are expensive. What's the guy to do? He can't pay for treatment, so he's going to die. Leaving his family without support. So what does he do? He turns do dealing crack cocaine.

Yeah, that's the plot of Breaking Bad. In Canada, it would be a very different story. When he found out he had cancer, he'd get treatment for it. No desperate foray into trafficking illegal narcotics necessary.
 
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Well the Bible says those who don't work don't eat. Why should we pay for leaches? They'll never stop.

Because they're not all leaches. A single mom working two jobs who can't afford health care is not a leach who should have to pay through the nose for basic medical care when she needs it.
 
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And what percentage of the American population falls into that category? Now consider a guy, he's married, got a couple of kids. One of whom is disabled. He works as a teacher. Then he finds out he has cancer. But he has no health insurance, and the treatments are expensive. What's the guy to do? He can't pay for treatment, so he's going to die. Leaving his family without support. So what does he do? He turns do dealing crack cocaine.

Yeah, that's the plot of Breaking Bad. In Canada, it would be a very different story. When he found out he had cancer, he'd get treatment for it. No desperate foray into trafficking illegal narcotics necessary.
Teachers here have health insurance. What percentage of the American that are on welfare are on drugs, it is hard to tell every state that tries to drug test them gets sued. Only us hard working people have to be drug tested before we get a job.
 
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Teachers here have health insurance.


That's what I thought when I first watched the show, which slightly undermined the premise. Unless he worked at a private school or something. Anyway, make him something other than a teacher, then, doing a job that doesn't provide health insurance. The point still stands.

What percentage of the American that are on welfare are on drugs, it is hard to tell every state that tries to drug test them gets sued. Only us hard working people have to be drug tested before we get a job.

Florida gave it a shot. Found that only 2.6% of welfare recipients tested positive for illegal substances, and that was primarily pot, not crack.

Welfare drug tests end up costing Florida $46,000
 
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