[MOVED]The Rapture

[B1inHim]

Good man he was

Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His messengers with a Trumpet sound, great, and they shall be upon-together-gathering/episunaxousin <1996> (5692) the out-called-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven messengers having the seven Trumpets make ready themselves, that they-should-be-Trumpeting;
[Joshua 6:4/Matt 24:31]

This is a farce and is not fulfillment of scripture

Constantine was a compromising pagan with nothing but MONEY and power at heart...
He continued to mint coins after the gods of that day and had the arch of him erected without any mention to Christianity.

He inaugurated the edict of tolerance which is a complete compromise to the Word of GOD in that it does not proclaim GOD as GOD but allows other gods to be worshiped...exactly what the USA has done with its constitution and all the amendments...

All just tricks and strategies of the principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in high places.

AND all the information that is of record is all just hearsay&#8230;
Lactantius states that, in the night before the battle, Constantine was commanded in a dream to "delineate the heavenly sign on the shields of his soldiers" (On the Deaths of the Persecutors 44.5). He followed the commands of his dream and marked the shields with a sign "denoting Christ". Lactantius describes that sign as a "staurogram", or a Latin cross with its upper end rounded in a P-like fashion. There is no certain evidence that Constantine ever used that sign, opposed to the better known Chi-Rho sign described by Eusebius.[citation needed]



A coin struck in 313, depicting Constantine as the companion of a solar deity.
From Eusebius, two accounts of the battle survive. The first, shorter one in the Ecclesiastical History promotes the belief that God helped Constantine but does not mention any vision. In his later Life of Constantine, Eusebius gives a detailed account of a vision and stresses that he had heard the story from the emperor himself. According to this version, Constantine with his army was marching (Eusebius does not specify the actual location of the event, but it clearly is not in the camp at Rome), when he looked up to the sun and saw a cross of light above it, and with it the Greek words "&#917;&#957; &#932;&#959;&#973;&#964;&#8179; &#925;&#943;&#954;&#945;". The Latin translation is in hoc signo vinces&#8212;"In this sign, you shall conquer". At first he was unsure of the meaning of the apparition, but in the following night he had a dream in which Christ explained to him that he should use the sign against his enemies. Eusebius then continues to describe the labarum, the military standard used by Constantine in his later wars against Licinius, showing the Chi-Rho sign.[4]
Those two accounts can hardly be reconciled with each other, though they have been merged in popular notion into Constantine seeing the Chi-Rho sign at the evening before battle. Both authors agree that the sign was not readily understandable to denote Christ, which corresponds to the fact that there is no certain evidence of the use of the letters chi and rho as a Christian sign before Constantine.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Milvian_Bridge


Either way, this is not Matthew 24:30-31 fulfilled it is more like another trick to get the blood bought and paid for children of the Most High to be further deceived in believing something other that what the Word of GOD says.

The days of the tribulations prophesied by Lord Jesus and OT prophets are still happening and gaining in strength moment by moment...

Apostle Paul is the ambassador to the gentiles not a third century Emperor of Rome who became a self-proclaimed pope of the seven hills&#8230;

His servant

 

[Biblewriter]

ooohhh... so by jpark's definition, I, who holds to the post-trib view of the rapture, am a pretender and a non-Christian...
and pre-tribbers say they dont let this affect their view of other people's salvation...

your post is very sad, and your arrogance to this matter is even more sad.
I pray God opens your eyes soon, because no one else can.

He did not say that those who believe in a post trib rapture would endure the great tribulation. He said, "Only the pretenders and the unbelievers endure the great tribulation."

I do not know of even one serious pre-trib scholar who thinks anyone will be left out of the pre-trib rapture just because he believes the rapture will not occur until after the tribulation.

We consider post-tribbers misguided brethren, not unbelievers.

 

[zeke37]

He did not say that those who believe in a post trib rapture would endure the great tribulation. He said, "Only the pretenders and the unbelievers endure the great tribulation."

I do not know of even one serious pre-trib scholar who thinks anyone will be left out of the pre-trib rapture just because he believes the rapture will not occur until after the tribulation.

We consider post-tribbers misguided brethren, not unbelievers.

there are some of those right here on the esc. forum, who believe just that

 

[Biblewriter]

there are some of those right here on the esc. forum, who believe just that

Unfortunately, you are right. That is why I added the word "serious." I guess I should have said "respected."

 

[B1inHim]

He did not say that those who believe in a post trib rapture would endure the great tribulation. He said, "Only the pretenders and the unbelievers endure the great tribulation."

I do not know of even one serious pre-trib scholar who thinks anyone will be left out of the pre-trib rapture just because he believes the rapture will not occur until after the tribulation.

We consider post-tribbers misguided brethren, not unbelievers.

Post tribbers... PRE Tribbers... they will get to go when it happens provided that they are ready when it does happen.

50% of all who believe that they are going in fact do not go.They are NOT ready, Lord Jesus gave that ratio in Matthew 25 1-12

His servant

 

[interpreter]

Constantine was a compromising pagan with nothing but MONEY and power at heart...
He continued to mint coins after the gods of that day and had the arch of him erected without any mention to Christianity.

He inaugurated the edict of tolerance which is a complete compromise to the Word of GOD in that it does not proclaim GOD as GOD but allows other gods to be worshipped...exactly what the USA has done with its constitution and all the amendments...

All just tricks and strategies of the principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in high places. How can you say that the Christian kingdoms that Constantine and George washington founded are rulers of "darkness," and not Christian kingdoms? Are not the majority of their citizens Christians?

AND all the information that is of record is all just hearsay&#8230;
Lactantius states that, in the night before the battle, Constantine was commanded in a dream to "delineate the heavenly sign on the shields of his soldiers" (On the Deaths of the Persecutors 44.5). He followed the commands of his dream and marked the shields with a sign "denoting Christ". Lactantius describes that sign as a "staurogram", or a Latin cross with its upper end rounded in a P-like fashion. There is no certain evidence that Constantine ever used that sign, opposed to the better known Chi-Rho sign described by Eusebius.[citation needed]



A coin struck in 313, depicting Constantine as the companion of a solar deity.
From Eusebius, two accounts of the battle survive. The first, shorter one in the Ecclesiastical History promotes the belief that God helped Constantine but does not mention any vision. In his later Life of Constantine, Eusebius gives a detailed account of a vision and stresses that he had heard the story from the emperor himself. According to this version, Constantine with his army was marching (Eusebius does not specify the actual location of the event, but it clearly is not in the camp at Rome), when he looked up to the sun and saw a cross of light above it, and with it the Greek words "&#917;&#957; &#932;&#959;&#973;&#964;&#8179; &#925;&#943;&#954;&#945;". The Latin translation is in hoc signo vinces&#8212;"In this sign, you shall conquer". At first he was unsure of the meaning of the apparition, but in the following night he had a dream in which Christ explained to him that he should use the sign against his enemies. Eusebius then continues to describe the labarum, the military standard used by Constantine in his later wars against Licinius, showing the Chi-Rho sign.[4]
Those two accounts can hardly be reconciled with each other, though they have been merged in popular notion into Constantine seeing the Chi-Rho sign at the evening before battle. Both authors agree that the sign was not readily understandable to denote Christ, which corresponds to the fact that there is no certain evidence of the use of the letters chi and rho as a Christian sign before Constantine.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Milvian_Bridge


Either way, this is not Matthew 24:30-31 fulfilled it is more like another trick to get the blood bought and paid for children of the Most High to be further deceived in believing something other that what the Word of GOD says.

The days of the tribulations prophesied by Lord Jesus and OT prophets are still happening and gaining in strength moment by moment...

Apostle Paul is the ambassador to the gentiles not a third century Emperor of Rome who became a self-proclaimed pope of the seven hills&#8230;

Love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

The two accounts can be 100% reconciled together. The sign of the Son of Man that appeared in the clouds on October 28th, 312 AD, was an unusual allignment of the planets that formed both a cross, or an "X" as Constantine interpreted it. And you are probably right in saying the chi-rho, or "XP" was not a popular Christian symbol before it appeared in the sky.

 

[BrotherBob]

I guess its pray for pre and prepare for post, but always trust in the
Lord.