[MOVED]The Rapture

[interpreter]

Jesus never mentions a rapture, either in the Gospels or the Revelation, given to us directly by Jesus.

 

[Hismessenger]

He never mentions a rapture but Paul speaks of being caught up which is seen by many as the rapture. Look for the words caught up on any bible program and it will show you the scriptures themselves.

hismessenger

 

[B1inHim]

rapture
noun ecstasy, delight, enthusiasm, joy, transport, spell, happiness, bliss, euphoria, felicity, rhapsody, exaltation, cloud nine (informal), seventh heaven, delectation, beatitude, ravishment His speech was received with rapture by his supporters.

rapture [ˈræptʃə]
n
1. the state of mind resulting from feelings of high emotion; joyous ecstasy
2. (often plural) an expression of ecstatic joy
3. the act of transporting a person from one sphere of existence to another, esp from earth to heaven

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/rapture

The word rapture is a description of what happens when something as immensely awesome as being transformed from mortal to immortal in 1/6,000,000,000 of a second, seeing Lord Jesus standing among the clouds in the sky, hearing the most melodious sound that you have ever heard as He gives the shout, His angels gathering us, the dead being resurrected and we all are then caught up to meet Him in the air.

I believe that my emotions once again, will be completely euphorically influenced beyond natural understanding to where I will be to the point of supreme rapture in my entire being...
Believe me when I say, it is beyond anything that one could possible imagine in their WIDEST dreams… I know what I am speaking about from a first hand participation and viewpoint…

Love,
Your Servant Brother Jerry

 

[B1inHim]

Jesus never mentions a rature, either in the Gospels or the Revelation, given to us directly by Jesus.

Matthew 24:30-31 (KJV)
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
1 Cor. 15:51-54 (KJV)
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Thes. 4:13-18 (KJV)
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.



now ^^^THAT^^^ is rapture - a state of elated bliss

bliss, blissfulness, cloud nine, seventh heaven, walking on air - a state of extreme happinessnoun delight, enthusiasm, joy, happiness, bliss, felicity, rhapsody, exaltation, cloud nine (informal), seventh heaven, delectation, beatitude, ravishment
rapture - definition of rapture by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.
Love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

 

[interpreter]

Matthew 24:30-31 (KJV)
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

The sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds on Oct.28, 312 AD, on the day that St. Constantine conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church. Jesus has been sitting at the right hand of power ever since. And Constantine sent his messengers and gathered all the Church together, to Nicea.

1 Cor. 15:51-54 (KJV)
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, [52] In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [53] For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. [54] So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
1 Thes. 4:13-18 (KJV)
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. [14] For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. [15] For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

I said Jesus, not Paul. To read what Peter said about Paul's writings, see II Peter 3:15-16.

 

[B1inHim]

The sign of the Son of Man appeared in the clouds on Oct.28, 312 AD, on the day that St. Constantine conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church. Jesus has been sitting at the right hand of power ever since. And Constantine sent his messengers and gathered all the Church together, to Nicea.
I said Jesus, not Paul. To read what Peter said about Paul's writings, see II Peter 3:15-16.

That sign was seen by a pagan person who decided to call himself a Christian and self appointed ruler of a religion, he did NOT conqure the known world for Lord Jesus, he did it for favor and money...LOrd Jesus has been seated at the right hand of Father since He ascended the last time 40 days after He resurrected...

Constantine sent his messengers.... Lord Jesus will send His angels... I do not agree with you that Matthew 24:30-31 has already taken place...

Apostle Paul aids in the understanding of what is known as the "rapture".

It has not taken place as of yet and will take place in the very near future...

love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

 

[Hismessenger]

In Matt 24, Jesus is relating the prophesy of Daniel and speaking to it's fulfillment. It is not the end yet.

hismessenger

 

[interpreter]

That sign was seen by a pagan person who decided to call himself a Christian and self appointed ruler of a religion, he did NOT conqure the known world for Lord Jesus, he did it for favor and money...LOrd Jesus has been seated at the right hand of Father since He ascended the last time 40 days after He resurrected...

Constantine sent his messengers.... Lord Jesus will send His angels... I do not agree with you that Matthew 24:30-31 has already taken place...

Apostle Paul aids in the understanding of what is known as the "rapture".

It has not taken place as of yet and will take place in the very near future...

love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

A literal translation reads, "He will send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet." Constantine sent messengers with a trumpet to gather all the Church together to Nicea.

 

[Hismessenger]

I would have to say that all the verses from 1-35 have been completed as per the destruction of Jerusalem. Verses 36- 51 remain to be fulfilled and that can't happen until we are facing the beast and the false prophet. This has not occurred yet for there is no peace on the earth as will be for three and one half years when he is in power. We must be watching and ready.

hismessenger

 

[B1inHim]

A literal translation reads, "He will send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet." Constantine sent messengers with a trumpet to gather all the Church together to Nicea.

I do not agree...
Matthew 24:30-31 (KJV)
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Show us that Lord Jesus told us that the one person would see this sign (a opportunist pagan emperor, which was in a dream) would see the sign Chi Rho and go out conquering and defeat his enemy...
PLUS
Matthew 24:29 (KJV)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

According to the Word of GOD this
Matthew 24:29 (KJV)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

This takes place before the sign of the Son of man appears... TWO prime expectations are here.
The one that you are refering to is not written and the other that is written is completely left out by your analogy

EDITED*One final note... The Word says that LORD Jesus will send His angels/messengers to gather together His elect, not Constantine will see a sign in the sky above the sun in a dream and conquer and then send his messenegers to gather them to Nicaea...

Love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

 

[interpreter]

I do not agree...
Matthew 24:30-31 (KJV)
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

"And he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens unto the ends thereof." (Young's Literal Translation)

Show us that Lord Jesus told us that the one person would see this sign (a opportunist pagan emperor, which was in a dream) would see the sign Chi Rho and go out conquering and defeat his enemy...
PLUS
Matthew 24:29 (KJV)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

According to the Word of GOD this
Matthew 24:29 (KJV)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

This takes place before the sign of the Son of man appears... TWO prime expectations are here.
The one that you are refering to is not written and the other that is written is completely left out by your analogy

EDITED*One final note... The Word says that LORD Jesus will send His angels/messengers to gather together His elect, not Constantine will see a sign in the sky above the sun in a dream and conquer and then send his messenegers to gather them to Nicaea...

Love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

It wasn't just a dream. Everyone saw the sign. Afterwards in a dream Jesus appeared to him and said "By this, conquer." He promptly put the sign on his labarum and immediately conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church.

 

[interpreter]

And no where does Jesus say the Church will meet Him in the air.

 

[B1inHim]

"And he shall send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his chosen from the four winds, from the ends of the heavens unto the ends thereof." (Young's Literal Translation)

It wasn't just a dream. Everyone saw the sign. Afterwards in a dream Jesus appeared to him and said "By this, conquer." He promptly put the sign on his labarum and immediately conquered Rome and all the known world for Jesus and His Church.

Constantine was a compromising pagan with nothing but MONEY and power at heart...
He continued to mint coins after the gods of that day and had the arch of him erected without any mention to Christianity.

He inaugurated the edict of tolerance which is a complete compromise to the Word of GOD in that it does not proclaim GOD as GOD but allows other gods to be worshipped...exactly what the USA has done with its constitution and all the amendments...

All just tricks and strategies of the principalities, powers, the rulers of the darkness of this world and spiritual wickedness in high places.

AND all the information that is of record is all just hearsay…
Lactantius states that, in the night before the battle, Constantine was commanded in a dream to "delineate the heavenly sign on the shields of his soldiers" (On the Deaths of the Persecutors 44.5). He followed the commands of his dream and marked the shields with a sign "denoting Christ". Lactantius describes that sign as a "staurogram", or a Latin cross with its upper end rounded in a P-like fashion. There is no certain evidence that Constantine ever used that sign, opposed to the better known Chi-Rho sign described by Eusebius.[citation needed]



A coin struck in 313, depicting Constantine as the companion of a solar deity.
From Eusebius, two accounts of the battle survive. The first, shorter one in the Ecclesiastical History promotes the belief that God helped Constantine but does not mention any vision. In his later Life of Constantine, Eusebius gives a detailed account of a vision and stresses that he had heard the story from the emperor himself. According to this version, Constantine with his army was marching (Eusebius does not specify the actual location of the event, but it clearly is not in the camp at Rome), when he looked up to the sun and saw a cross of light above it, and with it the Greek words "Εν Τούτῳ Νίκα". The Latin translation is in hoc signo vinces—"In this sign, you shall conquer". At first he was unsure of the meaning of the apparition, but in the following night he had a dream in which Christ explained to him that he should use the sign against his enemies. Eusebius then continues to describe the labarum, the military standard used by Constantine in his later wars against Licinius, showing the Chi-Rho sign.[4]
Those two accounts can hardly be reconciled with each other, though they have been merged in popular notion into Constantine seeing the Chi-Rho sign at the evening before battle. Both authors agree that the sign was not readily understandable to denote Christ, which corresponds to the fact that there is no certain evidence of the use of the letters chi and rho as a Christian sign before Constantine.





http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Milvian_Bridge


Either way, this is not Matthew 24:30-31 fulfilled it is more like another trick to get the blood bought and paid for children of the Most High to be further deceived in believing something other that what the Word of GOD says.

The days of the tribulations prophesied by Lord Jesus and OT prophets are still happening and gaining in strength moment by moment...

Apostle Paul is the ambassador to the gentiles not a third century Emperor of Rome who became a self-proclaimed pope of the seven hills…

Love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

 

[B1inHim]

And no where does Jesus say the Church will meet Him in the air.

You are absolutely correct... this is given to us directly from the Lord in prophetic words...through Apostle Paul

1 Thes. 4:15-18 (KJV)
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. [16] For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

And there is absolutely nothing that Apostle Peter tells us that negates any of the letters that were written to us from GOD through Apostle Paul...

Love,
Your servant Brother Jerry

 

[B1inHim]

What has been happening…


Matthew 24:6-12 (KJV)
And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet. [7] For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places. [8] All these are the beginning of sorrows. [9] Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake. [10] And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another. [11] And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. [12] And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
Mark 13:7-12 (KJV)
Luke 21:8-17 (KJV)

What has not happened yet…
Luke 21:20-24 (KJV)
Mark 13:14 (KJV)
Matthew 24:15-16 (KJV)

All of these things have either been taking place on a daily basis or are about to happen…
Yet I honestly was concerned when Interpreter pointed out that the sign of the Lord had already happened in 312A.D.

I wanted so much to seek the truth that I looked it up…and you guessed it all right, that interpretation is not correct. (DID you know that they closed down several Wikipedia pages because of this?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantine_I_and_Christianity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

Even though there was a solar eclipse that year which would have aided in interpreting that Matthew 24:30-31 had actually taken place, it is not enough evidence to absolutely confirm it…
Matthew 24:29 (KJV)
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
This is good but lets go further…
Mark 13:24-25 (KJV)
But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, [25] And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.

And the cherry on top is…Luke 21:25-26 (KJV)
And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring; [26] Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

So this is what we have… the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And the stars of heaven shall fall, and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;

Here is a key to opening this up… what happens when all these galactic cataclysms are taking place?
Men's hearts failing them for exceedingly fear and terror, for looking after those things, which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

So although it may LOOK like Matthew 24:30-31 (KJV)
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. [31] And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

It may LOOK like this has taken place back in the rule of Constantine, however there are too many other things that must take place during this particular even.
The gathering to Nicaea by Constantine in 325 A. D. is just a similarity and is not the actual return in the sky of Lord Jesus and the gathering of His elect by His angels…

Final thought…
That evening as I was in the twilight of sleep, the five-story building that I was in began to shake and rock back and forth 5 to 10 feet at a time.
Now according to our Bible and what the LORD says, "When you see these things coming upon you, stand up and lift your heads towards heaven. For your redemption is near." (Jesus, Luke 21:28.)
So I did Jesus' earthquake protocol and stood up, lifted my head towards heaven and began to praise GOD with every fiber that was within me. People around me were running and ducking under furniture and what have you, but we were on the fourth floor and it was crumbling down on top of us.

AT the EXACT time that the building began to "smush" me I was transformed in the twinkling of an eye and was in a BRAND NEW MANSION type of body, standing right where I had been (the same place) but only now where the floor had once been there was a six foot or so semitransparent hand of an Angel the bore me up lest I dashed my foot against a stone...
It was magnificent. I was standing in mid air about thirty-to-forty feet off the ground on this hand. The view was pristine and crystal clear. I could see clear across the valley and I saw others who were as was I, transformed, changed, standing on hands... NOT MANY though. We were few and far in-between.

Suddenly I heard a SHOUT, it was the MOST melodious sound that I have ever heard in all my life, it was as of the Trump of an archangel. I looked up into the sky and saw Jesus standing among the clouds with His arms open wide.
Then I looked out across the valley and saw those of us who had died and were in their graves rise up first and then those of us who were alive and remained were caught up together and the vision ended.

This vision was given to give to you.
It is a gift.


There are more than just a few verses that have been incorporated in this event. In context we have Psalms 91:12 happening as well as I Cor 15, I was practicing Luke 21:28. And then we have John 14:2 being literally fulfilled also.

1 Thes. 4:15-18 (KJV)
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we, which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them, which are asleep. [16] For the Lord Himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: [17] Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. [18] Wherefore comfort one another with these words.

Any of this sounds familiar to any of you?

Never in the history of mankind since the ascension of Lord Jesus have ALL of the first 4 seals are evidenced as being opened and are happening simultaneously all day, every day, as they are right now.

We do not see the 5th seal being evidenced because it takes place in heaven.
The NEXT event to take place in the prophetic calendar is the opening of the 6th seal and then we go…

The “peace and safety”, “sudden destruction” prophecy happens here also…it is all part of the dots

Please, please, let’s remember above all else to be sober, vigilant, do your best in all that you say, do and think.

Present your bodies a living sacrifice onto GOD, which is a reasonable service. Lean not to your own understanding but be transformed by the renewing of your mind in the Word of GOD that you may prove His perfect and acceptable will…​

Giving to the ones who have not, leading the lost to Lord Jesus and letting them know that until it is over and dung with, there is a seat still waiting for them at a dinner engagement that they will never forget.​

In Jesus name,​

So Be It​

Love,​

Your servant brother Jerry​

 

[Hismessenger]

I notice there seems to be an avoidance of the truth presented on Matthew 24. If you don't believe it, look at those sights which I posted on the bottom of post 60 and then if you can look at Matthew Henry's commentary on that Chapter and Flavius Josephus on the Jewish wars. It is truly a separate event from the end time distress brought on by the beast and the antichirst.

hismessenger

 

[Jpark]

All of my life, I have been brought up to believe that the rapture will happen before the 7 years of trial and tribulations begin.

But on this very night, I was reading up on it. And several websites i've been to, people have said that the christians will have to endure the tribulations. They said this will come as a surprise and that some of the christians will deny their Father to save their life. They said the thought of the rapture happening first is to give christians ease of mind.

Is this true? I will never fear no evil. I will be ready to face the Antichrist if this is true. I was just wondering. I normally know truth when I hear it.. But this is confusing. If it is true, I want to spread the word to as many people as possible.

Only the pretenders and the unbelievers endure the great tribulation. We endure the tribulation of our days which precedes the Rapture.

 

[Super Kal]

so how does "thlipsis" differ from "thlipsis megas"?
where's the difference?... how is there a difference between "affliction" and "great affliction", because all I see is man calling it something that it's not.

"orge/thumos" is not "thlipsis/thlibo"... no matter what spin you put on it, wrath has NEVER been tribulation.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

A literal translation reads, "He will send his messengers with a great sound of a trumpet." Constantine sent messengers with a trumpet to gather all the Church together to Nicea.

Good man he was

Matthew 24:31 and He shall be sending His messengers with a Trumpet sound, great, and they shall be upon-together-gathering/episunaxousin <1996> (5692) the out-called-ones of Him out of the four winds, from extremities of heavens till the extremities of them.

Revelation 8:6 And the seven messengers having the seven Trumpets make ready themselves, that they-should-be-Trumpeting;
[Joshua 6:4/Matt 24:31]

 

[Super Kal]

Only the pretenders and the unbelievers endure the great tribulation. We endure the tribulation of our days which precedes the Rapture.

ooohhh... so by jpark's definition, I, who holds to the post-trib view of the rapture, am a pretender and a non-Christian...
and pre-tribbers say they dont let this affect their view of other people's salvation...

your post is very sad, and your arrogance to this matter is even more sad.
I pray God opens your eyes soon, because no one else can.