[Moved from Am Politics] "Pro Life" Pharmacist is okay with woman bleeding to death

[Skaloop]

I was going in order and that post was next in line. But since you brought it up, yes it is entirely possible that the law will not support what the pharmacist did. I suspect that the case against the pharmacist is likely close to the one laid out by metherion. But I dont think we have heard the pharmacists side of the story yet (have we?) so we will have to wait and see. But yes, if this particular drug was not intended to be covered under this law then her moral objection will have no legal backing. And if she did not clear her objection to this particular drug with her employer in advance, she acted without the consent of her employer and in a way that may in fact be harmful to her employer and may very well be canned. And for the record, if all those things turn out to be true, then Walgreens would be morally justified in terminating her

Sounds good; I was just checking.

 

[Justa Guy]

Then how would you, as a member of the "pro-life" movement, characterize this pharacist's actions?

It's been a while since I posted on this issue but I believe in an earlier post I already stated that it is not the action I would take. I personally find her action repugnant. Whether it was unethical or illegal is up to her peers and the legal system to decide.

 

[lux et lex]

I think the poster was referring to orthodox meaning right thinking not Orthodox as in Eastern Orthodox.

Well I'm not orthodox with a little "o" either.

 

[FreeSpirit74]

There's no mention this has anything to do with religion. The pharmacist could have been against abortion but not religious, or could have just been irritated the nurse was not violating the patients privacy and then hung up the phone on them because they didn't get their way.

Regardless or whether the pharmacist's actions stemmed from religious beliefs or not, it was still bad customer service of the worst kind. When someone is working in a customer service capacity, their personal feelings and belief system must be checked at the door if it will in any way impede their ablility to do the job properly.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

what the pharmacist did, lawful or not, was tantamount to a EMT refusing to perform on someone because the EMT thinks they are a Muslim.

let's see how far an EMT would get doing that...

 

[JustMeSee]

I see. So me, as a black man, goes into a McDonalds and they refuse to serve me because the manager does not sell to black people. Would you tell me to simply go to one of the other twenty McDonalds in town?

That seems to be Rand Paul's position.
Also, you are making the assumption that any of the twenty other McDonalds will serve you and/or allow you to use their restrooms do to the color of your skin.

YouTube - Where Rand Paul stands on the Civil Rights Act

 

[JustMeSee]

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[lordbt]

That seems to be Rand Paul's position.
Also, you are making the assumption that any of the twenty other McDonalds will serve you and/or allow you to use their restrooms do to the color of your skin.

Rand Paul was making a philosophical argument. Which is always dangerous when so many have their heads stuck in concrete.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Rand Paul was making a philosophical argument. Which is always dangerous when so many have their heads stuck in concrete.

So Rand Paul was just making noise, and spouting a position contrary to one he actually believes in?

 

[JustMeSee]

Noted. It is doing harm to reject a filling when there are a DOZEN OTHER PHARMACISTS WITHIN A MILE. Duly noted.

You are assuming that one of the dozen other pharmacies will fill the prescription. They might also assume that the bleeding was due an abortion.

 

[JustMeSee]

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[JustMeSee]

Oh well, case closed:
Idaho board: No action in Walgreens complaint - Bloomberg

I don't like the finding, but it seems to be within Idaho law.

 

[JustMeSee]

Rand Paul was making a philosophical argument. Which is always dangerous when so many have their heads stuck in concrete.

It is clear that your intelligence is far superior to mine, but is it necessary to insult me?

 

[lordbt]

"In a letter obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday, executive director Mark Johnston told Planned Parenthood that the board concluded the pharmacist didn't violate patient confidentiality laws by inquiring if she had received an abortion.


In addition, Johnston said there was no requirement in the Idaho Pharmacy Act for a pharmacist to fill a prescription."


Looks like all you armchair lawyers can go back to your day jobs.

 

[PreachersWife2004]

"In a letter obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday, executive director Mark Johnston told Planned Parenthood that the board concluded the pharmacist didn't violate patient confidentiality laws by inquiring if she had received an abortion.


In addition, Johnston said there was no requirement in the Idaho Pharmacy Act for a pharmacist to fill a prescription."


Looks like all you armchair lawyers can go back to your day jobs.

I sure hope you're including yourself there, bud.

Besides, I wasn't even arguing from a legal standpoint. I still think that what the pharmacist did was reprehensible. I firmly place her in the same category as abortion providers. Having the law on your side doesn't necessarily make your actions moral.

 

[JustMeSee]

I sure hope you're including yourself there, bud.

Besides, I wasn't even arguing from a legal standpoint. I still think that what the pharmacist did was reprehensible. I firmly place her in the same category as abortion providers. Having the law on your side doesn't necessarily make your actions moral.

And interesting enough, we are now in Ethics & Morality instead of American Politics.

I am glad that my pharmacists behave better than the one in the story.

 

[metherion]

So, if the pharmacist is never required to fill a prescription, then why do they need this law?

Walgreen's should still fire her, and would be under no moral culpability for doing so And until I hear that that is done, I won't shop at a walgreen's again.

Metherion

 

[Nathan Poe]

"In a letter obtained by The Associated Press on Tuesday, executive director Mark Johnston told Planned Parenthood that the board concluded the pharmacist didn't violate patient confidentiality laws by inquiring if she had received an abortion.

Of course not -- it's not illegal to just ask someone else to commit an illegal act; only to try to force them to.

In addition, Johnston said there was no requirement in the Idaho Pharmacy Act for a pharmacist to fill a prescription."

So the Act is completely pointless -- the pharmacist is free to ignore any prescription request, regardless of whether or not it "violates his conscience."

 

[lordbt]

Of course not -- it's not illegal to just ask someone else to commit an illegal act; only to try to force them to.



So the Act is completely pointless -- the pharmacist is free to ignore any prescription request, regardless of whether or not it "violates his conscience."

Ah, the real armchair lawyer has returned to the scene to now pretend he understood what was happening all along. I only picked through about the first ten pages of this thread, but it was enough to get a snippet of some of your greatests hits.

So why did the pharmacist decide to break the law, when it was so simple to follow it?

And it just proves that the pharmacist is a criminal and an idiot.

We already know that the pharmacist broke one law and tried to get the PP rep on the phone to break another.

Breaking the law = criminal.

QED.



This pharmacist broke the law on account of a moral/ethical opinion which he had no way of knowing was even the case.

It's one thing to fight for a cause, but to do so for no cause = idiocy.

QED indeed.

 

[Nathan Poe]

Ah, the real armchair lawyer has returned to the scene to now pretend he understood what was happening all along. I only picked through about the first ten pages of this thread, but it was enough to get a snippet of some of your greatests hits.

You really have nothing to contribute, is that it?

QED indeed.

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