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Mountain throwing itself into the sea

Discussion in 'Christian Apologetics' started by JohnClay, Sep 16, 2020.

  1. JohnClay

    JohnClay Married Mouth-Breather Supporter

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    Matthew 21:21
    Jesus replied, “Truly I tell you, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and it will be done.​

    Mark 11:23
    Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain, ‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart but believes that what they say will happen, it will be done for them.​

    Jesus says "truly" implying this could be literal...

    BTW I think a psychotic person might be able to have no doubt...

    A related thing is:
    Matthew 13:58
    And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith​

    On the other hand the Bible says not to put God to the test....
     
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  2. Jeshu

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    i was psychotic when i approached Jesus and ask Him to heal me on the spot. i knew i had no doubts whatsoever, i still have no doubts. i have 100 percent faith in His ability to do anything written about Him!

    Still i was not in line with our Lord. Who simply told me that for good reason i had been made the way i was, and that i would bring Him glory without Him healing me from it. He even said you are not sick as such, i made you as you are. (i have been diagnosed with Schizo Effective disorder and have been in and out of Hospital completely psychotic many times over the last 24 years and have struggled enormously with depressive moods which at one stage lasted seven years, 1 and 1/2 of those suicidally depressed.)

    i didn't understand much of the reason Jesus told me why He would not heal me at the time, for i had faith so why did He not come up with the goods? i remember that i was deeply disappointed.

    Yet later when He began to make me stronger than my illness could throw at me, then i understood that there are more than one ways to be healed by Jesus. Making me stronger and bringing to life more good life to fight the bad life my illness brought me, contributed enormously to me supporting and loving other (mentally ill) people through their struggles.

    Many people listen to what i say about Jesus as King of the heart, because i still struggle with mental illness myself, but don't often get floored by it any more, i make a good witness. And if i do fall then i just get up and i keep on going again.

    i know how Jesus made me strong ever after i learned to have faith in His love. i know that much of what He taught me was spiritually true much more so than physical. For spiritually Jesus has levelled all my mountains and obstacles, and they have been huge, :amen: while He has me walking on the Highway to Heaven, :holy: while i know that physically i'm doomed for the grave.:clap:

    Indeed i found out that spiritually in my worldly wilful sinful self i have wiped and are being wiped out, while His Kingdom He build into me who suffered wickedness. Absolutely amazing how He does that!

    In Christ's Kingdom all the promises of Scripture are true! They have always been true and will always be true. Such comfort Having Him living within me. All this has come my way because i crowned Jesus King of my heart and let Him rebuild me Through The Word and into The Word.

    Hallelujah!

    1 Peter 1:22-25
    "Now that you have purified yourselves by obeying the truth so that you have sincere love for each other, love one another deeply, from the heart. For you have been born again, not of perishable seed, but of imperishable, through the living and enduring word of God. For,


    “All people are like grass,
    and all their glory is like the flowers of the field;
    the grass withers and the flowers fall,
    but the word of the Lord endures forever.”


    And this is the word that was preached to you.


    i will love Him forever for having saved me from my sins.:bow:
     
  3. com7fy8

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    "the peace of God, which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus." (in Ephesians 4:6-7)
     
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  4. Ironhold

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    "Mountain throwing itself into the sea" = entirely possible during certain types of geological upheaval. It'd be of a rather cataclysmic nature, such as the tsunami that hit Japan a few years ago, but it can happen.
     
  5. bling

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    What reason would I have to ask a mountain to go into the sea?
     
  6. JohnClay

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    It's just an example of something that seems impossible.
     
  7. JohnClay

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    Though it didn't say it is just possible it says "it will be done".
     
  8. JohnClay

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    I have schizo-affective disorder too and have been in and out of hospital for about 20 years... I was wondering did your beliefs go far outside of what the Bible teaches? Have you ever heard voices and had visual hallucinations?
     
  9. Jeshu

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    i believed my religious upbringing and got completely stuck when i started attacking it with my manic mind. Luckily Jesus saved me from that disaster and so many others teaching me through the word and in love.

    i suffered from evil voices for many years, they used to drive me mad, literally. So yes plenty of voices and also hallucinations, especially about death and the kingdom of death.
     
  10. bling

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    OK, yet possible for God.
     
  11. Amoranemix

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    The problem with that evidence, is that it is not transferable. It is the kind of help God would provide if he wanted to hide from non-believers that he was helping. That would be acting contrary to God's alleged desire that people believe in him.

    I think never in recorded history a mountain threw itself into the sea.

    To provide evidence for God's existence.

    It is very likely that a very faithfull Christian once asked od to make a mountain throw itself into the sea. Hence, either the Bible exaggerates God's abilities or God does not exist.
     
  12. Rachel20

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    Are you sure it's not referring to some kind of spiritual stronghold or as a symbol of nations? The mountains of Bashan, Hermon, etc... had meaning in the spiritual realm as well as being literal mountains.

    Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
    Who art thou, O great mountain? before Zerubbabel thou shalt become a plain: and he shall bring forth the headstone thereof with shoutings, crying, Grace, grace unto it
    Zechariah 4:6-7

    And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. Isaiah 2:2

    Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure. Daniel 2:45
     
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