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Moscow not Third Rome?

Discussion in 'The Ancient Way - Eastern Orthodox' started by Orthodoxjay1, Jul 18, 2019.

  1. Orthodoxjay1

    Orthodoxjay1 Well-Known Member

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  2. RobNJ

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  3. rusmeister

    rusmeister A Russified American Orthodox Chestertonian

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    Well, I agree with what the Metropolitan says in general. In our time, identifying Moscow as a “Rome” only underscores the decadent nature of the people as a whole, as Rome became hopelessly decadent.
     
  4. gzt

    gzt The age of the Earth is 4.54 ± 0.07 billion years

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    If it's the third Rome, it's the fourth Babylon. The Old Believers were big into Third Rome stuff, which is maybe why we shouldn't really care, given how wrong they were about everything.
     
  5. ArmyMatt

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    Moscow was called Third Rome in their charter signed by Constantinople, but it was just a title. nothing ever came with it.
     
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  6. Platina

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    Third Rome is not a real ecclesiological principle being pushed by anyone in the MP.
     
  7. gurneyhalleck1

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    It’s not about being a Rome. It’s about numbers. If you add up the amount of Orthodox Christians on the Earth, Russians account for around half of them.
     
  8. RobNJ

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    Rome left the church. Rome is no longer a standard to evoke. "Third Rome"? "Forty-fifth Rome? Who gives a rodents hindquarters!! Be wherever your ACTUAL location is, and be TRUE to Orthodoxy. The rest is immaterial.
     
  9. gurneyhalleck1

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    People get pretty hung-up about what's going on with patriarchs, especially newbie Orthodox and Hyperdox. During the whole fiasco with the Ecumenical Patriarch and the Ukrainian "rebel" priests getting recognized by him, I was not "into" it much. Don't get me wrong, I condemn what the EP did completely, but I wasn't much interested in the drama of it all or the fall-out. All I know is I'm part of the Serbian branch of our wonderful tree, and our Patriarch Irenej is good to go. My bishop, Bishop Maxim, is good to go. My priest is good to go. Our local Eucharistic community is doing fine. Therefore I'm good to go. The large-scale stuff is more political soap opera nonsense. I DO think we should pray for the patriarchs and hierarchs and all clergy, but my point is that I'm well past getting too fascinated or underwear in a wad over the dumb actions of the EP these days. I don't dwell on Russians much because I have zero to do with them.

     
  10. Stabat Mater

    Stabat Mater Jesus Christ conquers! Supporter

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    Nuevo Romanum... lol.
     
  11. David Cabrera

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    Nova Roma (Νέα Ῥώμη).
     
  12. ☦Marius☦

    ☦Marius☦ Orthodox Hillbilly Supporter

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    There can be no Rome until the restoration of the God anointed Tzars.
     
  13. RobNJ

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    1) I have yet to see any point attributing any religious significance to "Rome" for Orthodoxy
    1) I see NO religious significance to Orthodoxy in any mere political entity. Much less any reason to believe that any mere political entity is "God anointed"
     
  14. ArmyMatt

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    technically that wouldn't matter. Rome had a see long before a Christian Emperor. Rome has always existed in Orthodoxy, even after the last Tsar abdicated (which was Tsar Symeon, not St Nikolai). we don't need an Emperor to be Rome.
     
  15. buzuxi02

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    Technically the saying is, ' elder Rome fell away due to apostasy, new Rome to sin, and a third stands but there will not be a fourth.
    Usually this third came to an end with the Bolshevik revolution and now there is no longer a restraining force, the age of grace came to an end (a theme found amongst bishops and monks as to why so much eikonomia needs to be applied to today's laity)..
     
  16. ArmyMatt

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    the age of grace has not come to an end. if the "restraining force" was needed, the age of grace began with St Constantine, not Pentecost.
     
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