LDS Mormons teach The Garden of Eden in Missouri

[Peter1000]

How does wearing holy undergarments show love?

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drsteve. seriously, have you no integrity or respect?

 

[mmksparbud]

Wow, how horrible is it to live the 'word of wisdom', or pay an honest tithe to God, or live in sexual purity? How dishonest are we for telling people about these commandments?

Do you think these commandments are too hard to bear? Too much for a Christian to be engaged in?

I didn't say it is---we have tithe also---it is not a commandment, sexual purity is part of any Christian walk. We don't call these things commandments--it is a way of life --it is the fruits of the spirit.

 

[Peter1000]

I didn't say it is---we have tithe also---it is not a commandment, sexual purity is part of any Christian walk. We don't call these things commandments--it is a way of life --it is the fruits of the spirit.

Call them what you want, we call them commandments and we live them because we love Jesus. We know that Jesus would not give a commandment that is not beneficial to us.

For instance in Malachi 3:10 he commands us to bring all the tithes into the storehouse, so there will be meat in his house. So there is the commandment.
The result of living the commandment is what he says next: and I will open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

The commandment is given, if you live it you are blessed, if you do not, you are not blessed as much.

And you are right, these things become a way of life or just part of our Christian walk and they are also fruits of the spirit. Thank you.

 

[He is the way]

And there's the tap dancing... It's unfortunate that you keep trying to deceive others that this is it. But you know, I know, and most everyone else, if not all, on this thread know that isn't true. Chapter 47 of your Gospel Principles teaches more commandments that are neither found in the Bible nor based in love as you would have us believe.

Also, this is not based on love:
Doctrine and Covenants 130:21

21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.

Most of the commandments found in chapter 47 of Principles of the Gospel are found in the Bible. All of them are based on LOVE.

D&C 130:21 is not a commandment, but it is a true principle of the gospel. God does give blessings to the obedient:

(Old Testament | Proverbs 28:9 - 21)

9 He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.
10 Whoso causeth the righteous to go astray in an evil way, he shall fall himself into his own pit: but the upright shall have good things in possession.
11 The rich man is wise in his own conceit; but the poor that hath understanding searcheth him out.
12 When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden.
13 He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
14 Happy is the man that feareth alway: but he that hardeneth his heart shall fall into mischief.
15 As a roaring lion, and a ranging bear; so is a wicked ruler over the poor people.
16 The prince that wanteth understanding is also a great oppressor: but he that hateth covetousness shall prolong his days.
17 A man that doeth violence to the blood of any person shall flee to the pit; let no man stay him.
18 Whoso walketh uprightly shall be saved: but he that is perverse in his ways shall fall at once.
19 He that tilleth his land shall have plenty of bread: but he that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough.
20 A faithful man shall abound with blessings: but he that maketh haste to be rich shall not be innocent.
21 To have respect of persons is not good: for for a piece of bread that man will transgress.

 

[mmksparbud]

Call them what you want, we call them commandments and we live them because we love Jesus. We know that Jesus would not give a commandment that is not beneficial to us.

For instance in Malachi 3:10 he commands us to bring all the tithes into the storehouse, so there will be meat in his house. So there is the commandment.
The result of living the commandment is what he says next: and I will open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.

The commandment is given, if you live it you are blessed, if you do not, you are not blessed as much.

And you are right, these things become a way of life or just part of our Christian walk and they are also fruits of the spirit. Thank you.

Yes--but nowhere is there mention of Holy underwear---eternal marriage being a must, there is no record of Elijah being married and he was translated.

 

[mmksparbud]

Book of commandments--

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite) uses the 1846 edition that was published in Nauvoo, Illinois; this version is virtually identical to the 1844 edition. Most recently a facsimile reprint was produced for the church at Voree, Wisconsin by Richard Drew in 1993.

The Church of Christ (Temple Lot) contends that the thousands of changes made to the original revelations as published in the Book of Commandments (including the change of the church's name) are not doctrinal and result from Joseph Smith's fall from his original calling. As a result, the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) prefers to use reprints of the Book of Commandments text.

The Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite) accepts the 1844 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants, including the Lectures on Faith, which it insists are as much inspired as the revelations themselves.

The Restoration Branches generally use the older RLDS Church Doctrine and Covenants, typically sections 1–144.

The Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints uses the older RLDS Church version of the Doctrine and Covenants up to section 144, and also continues to add new revelations from their president, Frederick Niels Larsen.

"Remnant" movement, a spiritual movement in schism with the LDS Church, published an online "Restoration" edition of the Doctrine and Covenants in 2017. It includes any sections authored by Joseph Smith. It also: includes a new version of D&C 54, as revised by Denver Snuffer;[17] excludes the Kirtland Temple visitation by Elijah and others angelic being in D&C 110; excludes portions based on fragmentary teachings by Smith in D&C 129; includes Smith's Lectures on Faith; and includes a new appendix titled, "A Prophet’s Prerogative," by Jeff Savage.[18][19]

I didn't realize there are so many LDS "denominations"---

 

[He is the way]

Book of commandments--

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite) uses the 1846 edition that was published in Nauvoo, Illinois; this version is virtually identical to the 1844 edition. Most recently a facsimile reprint was produced for the church at Voree, Wisconsin by Richard Drew in 1993.

The Church of Christ (Temple Lot) contends that the thousands of changes made to the original revelations as published in the Book of Commandments (including the change of the church's name) are not doctrinal and result from Joseph Smith's fall from his original calling. As a result, the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) prefers to use reprints of the Book of Commandments text.

The Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite) accepts the 1844 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants, including the Lectures on Faith, which it insists are as much inspired as the revelations themselves.

The Restoration Branches generally use the older RLDS Church Doctrine and Covenants, typically sections 1–144.

The Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints uses the older RLDS Church version of the Doctrine and Covenants up to section 144, and also continues to add new revelations from their president, Frederick Niels Larsen.

"Remnant" movement, a spiritual movement in schism with the LDS Church, published an online "Restoration" edition of the Doctrine and Covenants in 2017. It includes any sections authored by Joseph Smith. It also: includes a new version of D&C 54, as revised by Denver Snuffer;[17] excludes the Kirtland Temple visitation by Elijah and others angelic being in D&C 110; excludes portions based on fragmentary teachings by Smith in D&C 129; includes Smith's Lectures on Faith; and includes a new appendix titled, "A Prophet’s Prerogative," by Jeff Savage.[18][19]

I didn't realize there are so many LDS "denominations"---

There are a lot of break off churches from The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints but it is far less that Protestant churches:

Just How Many Protestant Denominations Are There?

 

[mmksparbud]

There are a lot of break off churches from The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints but it is far less that Protestant churches:

Just How Many Protestant Denominations Are There?

Yes, but you guys were coming on here like yo9u are all one church and you have many denominations also. Not as many doesn't count for anything.

 

[He is the way]

Yes, but you guys were coming on here like yo9u are all one church and you have many denominations also. Not as many doesn't count for anything.

More importantly would be the answer to this question, which church is Christ's true church?

 

[mmksparbud]

More importantly would be the answer to this question, which church is Christ's true church?

According to Rev. it will be the one that doesn't acknowledge the authority nor bow down to the image of the beast---still some time away.

 

[Peter1000]

Book of commandments--

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints (Strangite) uses the 1846 edition that was published in Nauvoo, Illinois; this version is virtually identical to the 1844 edition. Most recently a facsimile reprint was produced for the church at Voree, Wisconsin by Richard Drew in 1993.

The Church of Christ (Temple Lot) contends that the thousands of changes made to the original revelations as published in the Book of Commandments (including the change of the church's name) are not doctrinal and result from Joseph Smith's fall from his original calling. As a result, the Church of Christ (Temple Lot) prefers to use reprints of the Book of Commandments text.

The Church of Jesus Christ (Cutlerite) accepts the 1844 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants, including the Lectures on Faith, which it insists are as much inspired as the revelations themselves.

The Restoration Branches generally use the older RLDS Church Doctrine and Covenants, typically sections 1–144.

The Remnant Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints uses the older RLDS Church version of the Doctrine and Covenants up to section 144, and also continues to add new revelations from their president, Frederick Niels Larsen.

"Remnant" movement, a spiritual movement in schism with the LDS Church, published an online "Restoration" edition of the Doctrine and Covenants in 2017. It includes any sections authored by Joseph Smith. It also: includes a new version of D&C 54, as revised by Denver Snuffer;[17] excludes the Kirtland Temple visitation by Elijah and others angelic being in D&C 110; excludes portions based on fragmentary teachings by Smith in D&C 129; includes Smith's Lectures on Faith; and includes a new appendix titled, "A Prophet’s Prerogative," by Jeff Savage.[18][19]

I didn't realize there are so many LDS "denominations"---

Does any of this make a difference. You did this 2 years ago, and it made no difference then either.

 

[mmksparbud]

Does any of this make a difference. You did this 2 years ago, and it made no difference then either.

2 years ago??? I can't remember what I did yesterday!!! 2 years ago, I was just home after 3 months in hospital, 2 mths which were spent in a coma!

 

[BigDaddy4]

Would you mock a fellow preacher for wearing the collar or another clear and accepted sign of the ministry?

I ask this as, in essence, that's what the garments are: we use a lay ministry, and so the garments are a symbol of that.

If you wouldn't mock a fellow minister, then why are you mocking us?

Do you worship in or do your lay ministers only wear the lds special underwear only, or do you wear clothes over them? A preacher or clergy who wears a collar or other garment doesn't hide it. So your example fails. Care to try again?

 

[Ironhold]

Do you worship in or do your lay ministers only wear the lds special underwear only, or do you wear clothes over them? A preacher or clergy who wears a collar or other garment doesn't hide it. So your example fails. Care to try again?

Lay ministry = everyone has some degree of authority = everyone wears them under their clothing because they're still everyday people.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Lay ministry = everyone has some degree of authority = everyone wears them under their clothing because they're still everyday people.

Which is not equal to preachers, clergy, etc who wear their "holy" garments OVER their clothes. Can you not see why it doesn't fit? Square peg, round hole.

 

[He is the way]

Which is not equal to preachers, clergy, etc who wear their "holy" garments OVER their clothes. Can you not see why it doesn't fit? Square peg, round hole.

Perhaps you are right about showing off religious clothing.:
(New Testament | Matthew 6:1 - 6)

1 TAKE heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

 

[BigDaddy4]

Perhaps you are right about showing off religious clothing.:
(New Testament | Matthew 6:1 - 6)

1 TAKE heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.
2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
3 But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth:
4 That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.
5 ¶ And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

Another classic example of word search posting. Well done!

 

[He is the way]

Another classic example of word search posting. Well done!

It is because I know the Bible and what it teaches that I am able to find the scriptures. So thank you for a job well done.

 

[drstevej]

BACK TO THE OP

Tenth Mormon President Joseph Fielding Smith wrote,

“In accord with the revelations given to the Prophet Joseph Smith, we teach that the Garden of Eden was on the American continent located where the city of Zion, or the New Jerusalem will be built. When Adam and Eve were driven out of the Garden, they eventually dwelt at a place called Adam-ondi-Ahman, situated in what is now Daviess County, Missouri” (Doctrines of Salvation 3:74).

Are you guys buying up property in Daviess CO. Missouri?

BTW this is the MISSOURI STATE ANIMAL...

Could this be a Tapir?

 

[Peter1000]

Yes--but nowhere is there mention of Holy underwear---eternal marriage being a must, there is no record of Elijah being married and he was translated.

You are right holy garments are not found in the bible, but neither is the word Trinity. Eternal marriage is different. There are lots of scriptures that tell us that marriage can be eternal. I agree that most people will be single, but some will be married in the Lord before the resurrection and will be in a married condition after the resurrection.

Elijah is married. Not found in the bible, but the bible only cuts through about 1/1000th of what happened in OT and NT times and in the spirit world. So lots of things not in the bible.