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More Bad News for Trump

Discussion in 'General Politics' started by The Barbarian, Jan 14, 2020.

  1. JosephZ

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    If that's the case then maybe Trump should stop blocking access to the thousands of additional documents relating to this case so this issue can be cleared up. An innocent man would want to release information that would clear his name don't you think? It seems to me that only a guilty man would go to the extremes Trump has to withhold requested evidence from being presented (Article II: Obstructing Congress).

    With the release of these documents the evidence is now overwhelming that that Trump was looking into the Bidens for personal gain (Article I: An abuse of power). The letter from Giuliani alone is evidence of that. It's also pretty obvious why Trump has been blocking the release any documents to aid in the investigation (Article II: Obstructing Congress).

    Impeachment aside, these newly released documents show that the Ukraine prosecutor offered information about to Biden in exchange for removing the US ambassador, a Republican running for a seat in Congress offered to pay someone to "take care" of that same US Ambassador for Trump, all the while his personal attorney was setting up meetings with the soon to be president of Ukraine on behalf of Trump. That is not the way America does things and it's totally unacceptable.
     
  2. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    It's the way Trump ran his businesses. He thinks everyone is crooked, because that's all he knows.
     
  3. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    Is this the guy who is trying to exchange information for a get out of jail free card?
     
  4. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Like a number of other Trump henchmen. Trump's character disorder keeps him from realizing that if he betrays them, they are likely to betray him.

    Trump denies knowing indicted Giuliani business associates
    President Trump told reporters Thursday that he does not know Lev Parnas or Igor Fruman, two of Rudy Giuliani's business associates who were indicted for allegedly funneling foreign money into Republican political campaigns.
    Trump denies knowing indicted Giuliani business associates

    And in February this year, according to a report in the Wall Street Journal, Parnas and Fruman met with the Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko and then Prosecutor General Yuriy Lutsenko. During that meeting, they extended Poroshenko an invitation for a State dinner at the White House, if he would commit to publicly opening investigations in Ukraine.

    The December meeting at the White House is not the first report of Parnas and the President discussing Ukraine. The Washington Post has reported that in April 2018 at a small fundraising dinner in a suite at the Trump International Hotel in Washington, Parnas told Trump that the US ambassador to Ukraine, Marie Yovanovitch, was unfriendly to him and his interests. Trump, according to the Post report, which cited people familiar with Parnas' account of the event, suggested that Yovanovitch should be fired.
    A year later in May 2019, Yovanovitch was recalled from her post.
    Exclusive: After White House meeting, Parnas said he was on a 'secret mission' for Trump in Ukraine - CNNPolitics
     
  5. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    So is he the guy asking to exchange information for immunity?
     
  6. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    According to the report, cited from second hand knowledge of people who were familiar with (heard about), an account of an event.

    Powerful stuff, yessiree
     
  7. wing2000

    wing2000 E pluribus unum Supporter

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    ...any day now, Trump will claim not to know Rudy.
     
  8. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    Yes. All of it is coming together from different sources of evidence. The emails, Rudy's occasional slips, eyewitness accounts of Trump's attempts to use military aid to get Ukrainian officials to help him with his political campaign...

    Powerful, indeed.
     
  9. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    We'll get to it eventually. It's like a death from a thousand cuts.
     
  10. Christian Gedge

    Christian Gedge Active Member

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    seenoevil.jpg
     
  11. The Barbarian

    The Barbarian Crabby Old White Guy

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    [​IMG]
     
  12. redleghunter

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    No excuse. But a plausible explanation which does not go into the tin foil territory of conspiracy theory.
     
  13. wing2000

    wing2000 E pluribus unum Supporter

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    ...which is ironic, given Guliani and his associates mounted a media campaign against the Ambassador....Trump Jr was involved as well.

    It's clear they wanted to get rid of the B_____, as one official called her, because her and other people of proven integrity got in their way.
     
  14. jgarden

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    More Bad News for Trump

    If McConnell and the Senate Republicans think that by refusing to call witnesses and subpoena documents they can put a lid on this investigation, they are delusional!

    The truth will eventually emerge with or without their cooperation, and should the Republican majority in the Senate dispense with this "trial" in all haste, how are they going to able to justify their decision in the 8-9 months before the 2020 Election as it becomes increasingly apparent that this President is guilty on all counts!

    Bolton's testimony will probably come out in book form before the election, and as an ever growing number of Trump surrogates face the prospects of prosecution and jail time, they should take a long hard look at the current circumstances of Michael Cohen, Paul Manafort and Michael Flynn when deciding how much is their loyalty to this President worth, in terms of jail time and/or personal bankruptcy!


     
    Last edited: Jan 16, 2020
  15. Fantine

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    No one deserves bad news more.
     
  16. miggles

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    a lot of these people are paid off for life.
     
  17. Mountainmanbob

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    Yes, they just sued for lying again.
    Keep it up and they will be broke.
    Ratings falling fast.
    M-Bob
     
  18. dad

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    Let's hope that there is not some deliberate weaponizing of media there.
     
  19. The Barbarian

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    "Get Zelensky to announce that the Biden case will be investigated."

    Precisely what others had testified. Confirming Trump's attempt to coerce Zelensky into helping him against a poltical rival.
     
  20. The Barbarian

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    Let's take a look...

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    Fox dropped most noticably, but CNN is down to a lesser degree. The big story is the continuing rise of MSNBC. As you see, Fox has been losing market share for some time, but has been declining in absolute numbers since about 2016. What event might have caused that, is hard to say...:scratch:
     
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