More about the corrupt election

[KatherineS]

The numbers just don't add up.

No, the Faux News Right Wing propaganda machine has created a bubble where their declining element of the American electorate has lost all touch with reality.

Repeating vapid right wing talking points does not make a majority.

It boggles the mind.

Not for those with a good mind.

The numbers just don't add up. Can't put my finger on it.

Oh, those of us in the reality based community can.

 

[Adaephon]

The numbers just don't add up. Most Americans think we are on the "wrong track". Obama has such a low job approval rating. (No president since the Great Depression was elected with such a high unemployment rate.) The country is center-right and conservative (only 21% of the nation is liberal/Progressive), while Obama is admittedly not (and neither was his mom, grandparents, mentor, father, or step-father). The high-unemployment rate. (Since the Great Depression no president has been re-elected with unemployment that high.) The gas prices are double what it was when Obama came to office and no president with such high gas prices ever was re-elected. Then most of America wants Obamacare repealed.

It boggles the mind. Most Americans want our economy to impove--it's stagnating around 1-2% GDP with a debt of over 16 Trillion and three credit downgrades (with three more to come because we failed to cut spending as was requested) a 40% loss of wealth of the country and a recent downgrading of our world position, oh, and a 140% increase of food stamps. Most Americans want jobs--if people hadn't simply given up looking for jobs (or the jobs no longer existing) we would have a unemployment rate of somewhere around 17% (and not the official 8%). Some groups do have astronomical rates--the blacks and the youth are particularly affected. Black culture is rather conservative with black pastors insisting that abortion and redefining marriage actually hurts blacks and destroys families. Christian and Catholics are "up-in-arms" over the attacks on Freedom of Religion. There are over 40 lawsuits. Most of America want Obamacare repealed. (Even some Dem Congressmen are seeing how costly this is going to be in the way of jobs and more. Plus it seems like a good number of states are not going to be setting up the "exchanges" and a few have even nullified and passed laws prohibiting it.) Then Obama has specifically violated the Constitution that he vowed to protect. (Failed to protect our borders, Sued own states that he was to protect for trying to protect themselves, Took foreign job and title--that U.N. one that caused a conflict of interests; Fanned flames of hatred-blacks against whites, women against men, "gays" vs "straights", military against civilians, religion agains secular culture, unions against "right-to-work", successful against poor, actual energy verses the energy that is only experimental now; caught on a "hot mic" promising another country favorable things "if they will be patient until after he won election --how did he know that he would win and why couldn't he tell us about it ; and there's more like giving special favors to union buddies, or seeking revenge on those who don't agree with him, or not having a annual budget, or monitizing the debt--which affects purchasing power and leads to inflation. He's even said that he doesn't like our Constitution--that he likes a list of what the government has to do for you and not what it can't do to you.)

The numbers just don't add up. Can't put my finger on it. The 40% of folks who failed to vote or voted for someone who couldn't possible be elected gave the election to Obama The "tipping point of those who are successful paying for those who aren't" was finally reached The traditional political ploy of giving people things if they will vote for him Disenfranchising certain blocks of folks Those irregularities in the voting in certain states The counting of the votes Maybe it was all of it.

It's easily explainable: conservatives don't vote. All the discontent with Obama's policies doesn't really anything and people can't be surprised if he's reelected if those who dislike him can't be bothered to cast their votes.

As for how Obama knew he'd win, it's because all the analysts and pollsters, again, like Nate Silver, basically everyone outside the Fox/conservative dream bubble, paid attention to the data.

Also, Romney's Election Day software platform for live tracking poll results to coordinate last minute get-out-the-vote efforts, called Narwhal, was a hideous disaster by any estimation, partly because they never had a single stress test. Will probably go down as one of the most spectacularly dumb campaign mistakes ever.

 

[TheOtherHockeyMom]

As for how Obama knew he'd win, it's because all the analysts and pollsters, again, like Nate Silver, basically everyone outside the Fox/conservative dream bubble, paid attention to the data.

I've followed Nate Silver's work the last two elections, and can't understand why so many on the right discredited his work. I think that one big reason why Romney lost is that conservatives tended to discredit any poll or analysis that showed him losing, despite the solid statistical work that went into Nate Silver's (and Electoral Vote's) data analysis.

My guess is that Romney's campaign believed a lot of the nonsense as well, and ran the race like they were in the lead after the first debate, instead of running from behind. Romney came close to catching up after the initial debate, and if he kept pushing it, he might have pulled ahead, but it seemed he was advised that he had the lead, and began to cruise to victory, not knowing Obama was still ahead.

While I didn't end up voting for Obama, there was no drama for me as I watched the national returns, as the outcome was just about what I expected. Fortunately there was a very tight local race to keep it interesting.

 

[AMDG]

Warrior Angel, it will be awhile before the truth is known, but I think it probably will come out. Afterall the FEC has fined the 2008 Obama campaign $375,000 because of questionable donations. And we have finally found out that in the 2008 election that gave us the commedian, Al Franken (who was the *one* vote that is responsible for ObamaTAX becoming the law of the land, had inelligible-to-vote felons be the deciding vote putting him in office instead of the qualified guy.

Sort of sad that we need to wait until *after* the fact (when we can do nothing.) But if you are just curious, well, it looks like all you have to do is wait and see.

 

[KatherineS]

Warrior Angel, it will be awhile before the truth is known,

The truth is known, it is just that some people can't handle the truth! lol

 

[AMDG]

The numbers just don't add up.

'They're starting to seriously worry': Concern growing about low turnout at Obama inauguration | Mail Online

 

[TheOtherHockeyMom]

So, if you don't think the numbers add up, AMDG, how do you explain Nate Silver's work?

 

[Adaephon]

It is impressive how Nate Silver called the election almost perfectly. Only got Florida and maybe one other small state wrong.

 

[AMDG]

So, if you don't think the numbers add up, AMDG, how do you explain Nate Silver's work?

And how do you explain that there was barely the turnout for Obama speaking (camera would pan into almost an empty auditorium and this is *after* the Obama campaign cut back into smaller auditoriums or stadiums several times? And how do you explain the worries about Obama's inaugaration--and the cut backs to only two balls? (We already know that he isn't shy about costing the taxpayers millions--his last vacation cost 7 million when it was originally proposed as only 4 million--so he's not trying to make a pretense of being frugal.) How do you explain all the people complaining about Obama raising the taxes of 77% of the people--not just the successful? And how do you explain how most of the U.S. thinks we are on the "wrong track"--they want jobs and the economy to improve, not more taxes and regulations and taking away of freedom. And how do you explain over half of the people wanting ObamaTAX repealed and replaced (even some Dems are bristling because of that cost of the medical devise tax and we have just learned that Health Insurance have increased premiums by double digits--then there are the states that have refused to set up the exchanges)? How do you explain Obama's poor job approval rating? Those are the numbers that don't add up.

With the new fiscal cliff deal, our debt is probably around 20 Trillion. Have you noticed that Benanche and Tax-Cheat Geithner are going to be leaving? Puts me in mind of that old saw "Rats know when to desert a sinking ship" since the "Ship of State" is definitely sinking.

Here's the National Debt Clock.

http://www.usdebtclock.org/

Click on the "timemachine" and choose "showdown for 2017". This is what we owe. At just the 16 Trillion, every man, woman, child, and baby owes over $50 grand already.

 

[KatherineS]

The numbers just don't add up....

...they way the Right-Wing would like them to add up. lol!


Now, you are moving from opinionated to absurd.

 

[Adaephon]

...they way the Right-Wing would like them to add up. lol!

Now, you are moving from opinionated to absurd.

There were certainly a lot of articles about conservatives and liberals having, ah... Different ways of obtaining news and other information that led to conservatives being sincerely shocked when Obama won in a landslide as he was projected to.

 

[MikeK]

AMDG, this was your response to the question "How do you explain Nate Silver's work?" Read it. Re-eaed the question. Re-read your response. Do better.

And how do you explain that there was barely the turnout for Obama speaking (camera would pan into almost an empty auditorium and this is *after* the Obama campaign cut back into smaller auditoriums or stadiums several times? And how do you explain the worries about Obama's inaugaration--and the cut backs to only two balls? (We already know that he isn't shy about costing the taxpayers millions--his last vacation cost 7 million when it was originally proposed as only 4 million--so he's not trying to make a pretense of being frugal.) How do you explain all the people complaining about Obama raising the taxes of 77% of the people--not just the successful? And how do you explain how most of the U.S. thinks we are on the "wrong track"--they want jobs and the economy to improve, not more taxes and regulations and taking away of freedom. And how do you explain over half of the people wanting ObamaTAX repealed and replaced (even some Dems are bristling because of that cost of the medical devise tax and we have just learned that Health Insurance have increased premiums by double digits--then there are the states that have refused to set up the exchanges)? How do you explain Obama's poor job approval rating? Those are the numbers that don't add up.

With the new fiscal cliff deal, our debt is probably around 20 Trillion. Have you noticed that Benanche and Tax-Cheat Geithner are going to be leaving? Puts me in mind of that old saw "Rats know when to desert a sinking ship" since the "Ship of State" is definitely sinking.

Here's the National Debt Clock.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

Click on the "timemachine" and choose "showdown for 2017". This is what we owe. At just the 16 Trillion, every man, woman, child, and baby owes over $50 grand already.