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Featured Morality without God

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Thomas White, Feb 20, 2020.

  1. Thomas White

    Thomas White Active Member

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    Can you be moral without God?
     
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  2. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    .....er......um.......Kind of. Maybe.

    You can be moral without formal religion, but how much
    God controls what He has created is the issue to your question.
     
  3. Messerve

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    Kind of sort of. I think it's possible to be moral in the public eye, but what goes on behind closed doors... probably not so much.
     
  4. Thomas White

    Thomas White Active Member

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    If you believe in free will, then God doesn't control any of your decision.
     
  5. JIMINZ

    JIMINZ Well-Known Member

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    Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
    Rom 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
    Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
    Rom 2:15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another)
     
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  6. Thomas White

    Thomas White Active Member

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    Soooooo yes?
     
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  7. grasping the after wind

    grasping the after wind That's grasping after the wind

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    All morality requires is a set of beliefs about what is right and wrong to which one aspires to adhere to.
     
  8. Strathos

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    The real question is 'moral by whose standards'.
     
  9. JIMINZ

    JIMINZ Well-Known Member

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    ("YES") :oldthumbsup: :tutu: :amen: :clap:
     
  10. JIMINZ

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    There is only (ONE) whose Standard which counts.
     
  11. Strathos

    Strathos No one important

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    Yes, but the problem is convincing everyone else of that.
     
  12. Maria Billingsley

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    Everyone is made in God's image so with that in mind I would say basic morality resides in all humans until they become corrupt through Satan's deception.
    Blessings
     
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  13. Aussie Pete

    Aussie Pete Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Absolutely. The problem is that man apart from God has his own definition of morality. It's not that long ago that homosexuality was illegal. Now it is Western society's sacred cow. I suppose soon it will be compulsory.
    The real problem is how poorly people live up to their own moral values. It's easy to have a code of conduct, infinitely harder to live by it.
     
  14. JIMINZ

    JIMINZ Well-Known Member

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    The convincing is Gods' job, ours is only to preach the Gospel.
     
  15. JIMINZ

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    Mankind is corrupt from their youth.

    Every single time there has been a Law made for man to follow, man has broken the Law.

    Even the very Laws we set for ourselves to follow.
     
  16. topher694

    topher694 Go Turtle!

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    Without God there is no standard of morality.
     
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  17. hedrick

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    Of course. But I'm judging based on Jesus' criteria. That works in the US because our culture's standards are roughly based on that.

    I think the real question is whether in the long run as Christianity has a less prominent role, it will be possible to maintain a moral standard. Oddly, C S Lewis makes a case for standards that cross all cultures, and a non-religious approach. As I understand him, he advocates what philosophers call "reflective equilibrium." Reflective Equilibrium (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) I think this is actually the process used even by Christians, although we have some basic principles taught by Jesus as well.

    (The CS Lewis reference is "The Abolition of Man.")
     
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  18. Thomas White

    Thomas White Active Member

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    Then how do cultures that do not believe in the Christian God set a moral standard?
     
  19. JIMINZ

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    God has set a Standard of Morality in the hearts of men otherwise, mankind could not be held accountable for their actions.
     
  20. topher694

    topher694 Go Turtle!

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    Because there is a God. He is still the standard whether we believe in Him or not.
     
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