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Featured Monogamy/Non-Monogamy/Divorce

Discussion in 'Christian Philosophy & Ethics' started by Xavier Cane, Jul 12, 2017.

  1. JRichard68

    JRichard68 There is too much butter on those trays

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  2. Tetra

    Tetra Well-Known Member

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    Cool. :)
     
  3. JRichard68

    JRichard68 There is too much butter on those trays

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    If I were the OP, I'd certainly take that and run with it, especially if I knew I had Luther's 'o.k.' (which I don't...) And it has to do with the TOS as something that can't be promoted.
     
  4. Tetra

    Tetra Well-Known Member

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    I'm not promoting anything other than stating what is (or isn't in this case) in the Bible. If you can show that the Bible explicitly denounces polygamy as a sin... send me the chapter and verse.
     
  5. PloverWing

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    I want to look at a couple of items in the original post from a human point of view. That is, God gives us grace, but we also exercise self-discipline in our daily lives, and I want to look at self-discipline possibilities.

    Is it possible to take this idea one step farther? Confide in a few friends that you're trying to be monogamous, and then make sure you're never, ever alone with a woman who's not your wife, employing these friends as chaperones if needed.

    Deep down, what do you mean by this? Do you truly want other partners? or, alternatively, do other women catch your eye, and you don't really want them but it's hard to resist? If you actually do want other partners -- if you'd prefer to be polygamous if your wife was okay with that -- then that's a deeper issue than just resisting the occasional fleeting temptation. What do you really want?
     
  6. Tetra

    Tetra Well-Known Member

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    Just so we're clear, my comment was to someone else... not the OP. This person stated there was a contradiction when there wasn't, I was clearing that up.

    I've never once said it isn't God's original plan that one man be married to one woman, it clearly is, as it's stated in the Bible.

    However, I will also add it was also God's original plan we would be nudest homeless (Genesis 2:25) vegans (Genesis 1:29-30).

    Once again, not "promoting" anything, just stating what is / isn't in Scripture.
     
  7. Robert Moses P Brown (Jr)

    Robert Moses P Brown (Jr) New Member

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    Oh well if you want to give up and call God a LIAR and keep on feeling sorry for yourself then none of us can help you, stop feeling sorry for yourself and pick up your balls and YOU MAKE the change, stop going on and on about GOD being the LIAR. No Sir you are the LIAR! You are the one that lies to himself! Pick yourself up and move forward, god can only do so much if you are not willing to HELP HIM OUT within yourself you are BLOCKING HIM! God bless and pick yourself up!
     
  8. Robert Moses P Brown (Jr)

    Robert Moses P Brown (Jr) New Member

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    I've gone through a fr darker place than that, I felt all these things you felt, I tried it all, went in to isolation, lost all the people I loved ALL AROUND ME I gave up for YEARS and YEARS a very dark dark dark place to be very dark. I prayed, nothing, I woke up one day and said "F It! I am making that change TODAY and I WILL OVERCOME!!" I did! I started picking MYSELF up and being DETERMINED and nothing was going to stop me!! I mean NOTHING! YOU CAN DO IT!! GO FORWARD AND NEVER STEP BACK EVER!
     
  9. JRichard68

    JRichard68 There is too much butter on those trays

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    I'd love to, but you know the answer. However, Sola-Scriptura to absurd levels doesn't do anyone any favors, either.
    But I get your point :)
     
  10. aiki

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    It isn't approved by Scripture, either. A description of polygamous behaviour is not necessarily a prescription for it. In fact, the general tenor of Scripture is against polygamy. From the very beginning God made Adam and Eve, not Adam, and Eve, and Sally, and Beth, and Sarah and...you get the idea. You will not find a single instance in the New Testament where polygamy is even obliquely commended. But you will find Paul writing that bishops and deacons are to be husbands of one wife, not many.
     
  11. MournfulWatcher

    MournfulWatcher In the beginning was the Word.

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    There are a lot of good responses and a few iffy ones. I will concur with those that say to stop with the self-pity and start taking responsibility and control of your actions.

    You can absolutely be forgiven. But you can't get anywhere by just praying for God to help you but then WILLINGLY going to have sex with other women. You said in your original post that you want multiple partners but also your marriage. You cannot have both.

    Sex is not made for just yourself--you need to concern yourself with pleasing your wife. You seek other women to bring selfish pleasure--you do not care about pleasing your wife until after the fact.

    Your flesh and your spirit are in conflict, but you're letting the flesh win. God gave you free will, you can make your own decisions. He can help you with managing temptation, but only if you make an effort to flee from it (stop watching porn, stop going to bars alone, just stop sleeping with other women.)

    I believe you care for your wife, but only when you feel convicted after sleeping with other women. Only when you see the look on her face when she realizes.

    Having multiple partners brings you sinful pleasure, not joy. It is meaningless and empty and will not give you what your spirit desires, which is God. If you truly seek happiness, then seek to obey God, for that is what human beings are made for; if we try to find happiness outside of God, we will never find it, because it is literally impossible for us to find joy and peace outside of Him. We are made for Him. Is a paintbrush fulfilling its purpose when being used as a hammer?

    You choose what side you're on-- Good or evil. Jesus or Satan. Because that is what it comes down to. Choice.

    Have faith--pray for God to give you faith, and He will give it to you because it is His will. It is His will for you to be free from sin, but you have to make the effort and tell yourself "No."
     
  12. Alithis

    Alithis Disciple of Jesus .

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    The Op has not for 30 years taken Any of this kind of advice.
    The op loves his sin .and will perish in it if he does not repent .
    We always follow what We Love the most and become a slave to the one we serve.
     
  13. Easy813

    Easy813 New Member

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    Commandments are there to know what God want us to banish from your life. I think the simple fact of knowing that what you do doesn't please Him should be a sufficient source of motivation for you to stop. I know you can do it, just believe in yourself.
    God bless you!
     
  14. JacksBratt

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    It's also illegal in Canada and the US and as Christians we are to abide by the laws of the land as long as it does not cause us to sin.

    Abstaining from polygamy would fall into this category.
     
  15. SkyWriting

    SkyWriting The Librarian Supporter

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    There is nothing explicitly about raping your grandmother or having sex with your grandkids, so is that a good plan?
     
  16. ChristianFromKazakhstan

    ChristianFromKazakhstan Well-Known Member

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    The OT established polygamy. So being with many many women is OK
     
  17. writewords

    writewords Meant for ministry. Gloria in excelsis Deo.

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    If you do not believe it will work, then it will not. "Without faith it is impossible to please Him," Hebrews 11:7. Do you not know that faith is the agent by which grace is given? If you have no faith, then Grace will not arrive.
     
  18. Tetra

    Tetra Well-Known Member

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    Argument from false analogy. God permitted polygamy in the Bible, God never permits rape or incest. Nice try though. lol
     
  19. redstang281

    redstang281 New Member

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    There is.

    Leviticus 18:10 “‘Do not have sexual relations with your son’s daughter or your daughter’s daughter; that would dishonor you.
     
  20. redstang281

    redstang281 New Member

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    I was just curious to ask because I didn't see where anyone else had already done so, but does your wife meet your sexual needs?

    Often times society and christian communities put all the blame on men, but your wife has a duty to you to provide all your sexual needs. That's the only way monogamy can work.

    God is not against polygamy. In the Bible he makes allowances for it, he never outlaws it. He even told David he would have given him more wives had he asked. Maybe that's why even though you are a Christian you can't have victory over this. You're not fighting against God's rules you are fighting against man's rules on polygamy. If you live in a country that polygamy is illegal you could consider moving.
     
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