Mom is forcing me and my brothers to get vaccinated

[Hazelelponi]

WHOA. Are you serious? I need an article link please.

Never mind they changed tthe wording of the order. Initially they were any saying indoor public space (which would by necessity include grocery stores) but now they have limited the order.

You can read it:

Emergency Executive Order 225

 

[Hazelelponi]

Right. I feel the same way. Can they still user doordash to have groceries delivered to them? If not this is truly scary. And reminds me of revelations.

Nevermind, they changed the way they were wording the order. It's more limited now.

 

[Macchiato]

I hereby order that the following individuals are exempted from this Order, and therefore may enter a covered premises without displaying proof of vaccination, provided that such individuals wear a face mask at all times they are unable to maintain six (6) feet of distance from other individuals inside the covered premises:

1. Individuals entering for a quick and limited purpose (for example, using the restroom, placing or picking up an order or service, changing clothes in a locker room, or performing necessary repairs);
   
2. A nonresident performing artist not regularly employed by the covered entity while they are in a covered premises for purposes of performing;
   
3. A nonresident professional athlete/sports team who enters a covered premises as part of their regular employment for purposes of competing; and
   
4. A nonresident individual accompanying a performing artist or professional athlete/sports team into a covered premises as part of their regular employment so long as the performing artist or professional athlete/sports team are performing or competing in the covered premises.

§ 3. I hereby direct each covered entity to develop and keep a written record describing the covered entity’s protocol for implementing and enforcing the requirements of this Order. Such written record shall be available for inspection upon a request of a City official as allowed by law. ( this part is scary)

§ 4. I hereby direct each covered entity to post a sign in a conspicuous place that is viewable by prospective patrons prior to entering the establishment. The sign must alert patrons to the vaccination requirement in this Order and inform them that employees and patrons are required to be vaccinated. The Department for Health and Mental Hygiene (“DOHMH”) shall determine the text of such sign and provide a template on its website that a covered entity may use. A covered entity may use the sign available online at nyc.gov/keytoNYC, or use its own sign provided its sign must be no smaller than 8.5 inches by 11 inches, with text provided by DOHMH in at least 14-point font.

§ 5. For the purposes of this Order:

1. “Contractor” means the owner and/or employees of any business that a covered entity has hired to perform work within a covered premise, except that it shall not include nonresident owners and/or employees.
   
2. “Covered entity” means any entity that operates one or more covered premises, except that it shall not include pre-kindergarten through grade twelve (12) public and non-public schools and programs, child care programs, senior centers, community centers, or as otherwise indicated by this Order.
   
3. “Covered premises” means any location, except a location in a residential or office building the use of which is limited to residents, owners, or tenants of that building, that is used for the following purposes:
   
   1. Indoor Entertainment and Recreational Settings, including indoor portions of the following locations, regardless of the activity at such locations: movie theaters, music or concert venues, adult entertainment, casinos, botanical gardens, commercial event and party venues, museums and galleries, aquariums, zoos, professional sports arenas and indoor stadiums, convention centers and exhibition halls, performing arts theaters, bowling alleys, arcades, indoor play areas, pool and billiard halls, and other recreational game centers;
      
   2. Indoor Food Services, including indoor portions of food service establishments offering food and drink, including all indoor dining areas of food service establishments that receive letter grades as described in section 81.51 of the Health Code; businesses operating indoor seating areas of food courts; catering food service establishments that provide food indoors on its premises; and any indoor portions of food service establishment that is regulated by the New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets offering food for on-premises indoor consumption. The requirements of this Order shall not apply to any food service establishment offering food and/or drink exclusively for off-premises or outdoor consumption, or to a food service establishment providing charitable food services such as soup kitchens; "
   3. 
      
   4. Well hi Well. Atleast it doesnt cover grocery stores.
   5. Seems like those against the vaxx will have to go to soup kitchens to sustain themselves. Crazy its coming to this

 

[BeyondET]

Hopefully, sometime in October, Novavax vaccine will be available which doesn't have the mRNA tech.
This may be a safer product for people than is presently available.

J&J is already available and is not mRNA tech.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I understand what it's for, I just feel it's nobody's business what my medical history is outside of a medical professional that I am seeking medical care from who is more than welcome to access my medical history from whatever HIPAA compliant system they use to do so lol. But yeah, I'm not going anywhere anytime soon lol.

There's also no laws on the federal level, or any states that I know of yet saying I have to carry the record with me wherever I go lol, and if that does happen then they may as well throw all HIPAA laws in the trash.

Just an aside, I heard that the devil has been thrown in the garbage awaiting the next collection!

 

[rturner76]

Crazy its coming to this

"Crazy" is the operative word in this situation.

 

[rturner76]

Just an aside, I heard that the devil has been thrown in the garbage awaiting the next collection!

No, the devil is in the details

 

[Hazelelponi]

I hereby order that the following individuals are exempted from this Order, and therefore may enter a covered premises without displaying proof of vaccination, provided that such individuals wear a face mask at all times they are unable to maintain six (6) feet of distance from other individuals inside the covered premises:

1. Individuals entering for a quick and limited purpose (for example, using the restroom, placing or picking up an order or service, changing clothes in a locker room, or performing necessary repairs);
   
2. A nonresident performing artist not regularly employed by the covered entity while they are in a covered premises for purposes of performing;
   
3. A nonresident professional athlete/sports team who enters a covered premises as part of their regular employment for purposes of competing; and
   
4. A nonresident individual accompanying a performing artist or professional athlete/sports team into a covered premises as part of their regular employment so long as the performing artist or professional athlete/sports team are performing or competing in the covered premises.

§ 3. I hereby direct each covered entity to develop and keep a written record describing the covered entity’s protocol for implementing and enforcing the requirements of this Order. Such written record shall be available for inspection upon a request of a City official as allowed by law. ( this part is scary)

§ 4. I hereby direct each covered entity to post a sign in a conspicuous place that is viewable by prospective patrons prior to entering the establishment. The sign must alert patrons to the vaccination requirement in this Order and inform them that employees and patrons are required to be vaccinated. The Department for Health and Mental Hygiene (“DOHMH”) shall determine the text of such sign and provide a template on its website that a covered entity may use. A covered entity may use the sign available online at nyc.gov/keytoNYC, or use its own sign provided its sign must be no smaller than 8.5 inches by 11 inches, with text provided by DOHMH in at least 14-point font.

§ 5. For the purposes of this Order:

1. “Contractor” means the owner and/or employees of any business that a covered entity has hired to perform work within a covered premise, except that it shall not include nonresident owners and/or employees.
   
2. “Covered entity” means any entity that operates one or more covered premises, except that it shall not include pre-kindergarten through grade twelve (12) public and non-public schools and programs, child care programs, senior centers, community centers, or as otherwise indicated by this Order.
   
3. “Covered premises” means any location, except a location in a residential or office building the use of which is limited to residents, owners, or tenants of that building, that is used for the following purposes:
   1. Indoor Entertainment and Recreational Settings, including indoor portions of the following locations, regardless of the activity at such locations: movie theaters, music or concert venues, adult entertainment, casinos, botanical gardens, commercial event and party venues, museums and galleries, aquariums, zoos, professional sports arenas and indoor stadiums, convention centers and exhibition halls, performing arts theaters, bowling alleys, arcades, indoor play areas, pool and billiard halls, and other recreational game centers;
      
   2. Indoor Food Services, including indoor portions of food service establishments offering food and drink, including all indoor dining areas of food service establishments that receive letter grades as described in section 81.51 of the Health Code; businesses operating indoor seating areas of food courts; catering food service establishments that provide food indoors on its premises; and any indoor portions of food service establishment that is regulated by the New York State Department of Agriculture and Markets offering food for on-premises indoor consumption. The requirements of this Order shall not apply to any food service establishment offering food and/or drink exclusively for off-premises or outdoor consumption, or to a food service establishment providing charitable food services such as soup kitchens; "
   3. 
      
   4. Well hi Well. Atleast it doesnt cover grocery stores.
   5. Seems like those against the vaxx will have to go to soup kitchens to sustain themselves. Crazy its coming to this

Yeah and I'm sorry for not being updated and providing incorrect information. I've been freaking out for days now under the impression the wording hadn't been changed.
Rather glad they changed it.

I don't care about entertainment myself. That's not necessary to life.

 

[Taodeching]

Im still seeking His approval. If He says yes okay. No then i won't. Its as simple as that for me.

You have it but refuse it. You want a grandiose booming voice but what you have is God's Word and that is not enough for you. If God did literally did speak to you you would make another excuse, exactly what must God do in addition to given you His Holy Word in Exodus 12:12:

“Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long, full life in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

Matthew 19:19:

Honor your father and mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Ephesians 6:2-3:
“Honor your father and mother.” This is the first commandment with a promise: If you honor your father and mother, “things will go well for you, and you will have a long life on the earth.”

If this is not God talking to all of us than I don't know what is. This should be enough for anyone

 

[Hazelelponi]

You have it but refuse it. You want a grandiose booming voice but what you have is God's Word and that is not enough for you. If God did literally did speak to you you would make another excuse, exactly what must God do in addition to given you His Holy Word in Exodus 12:12:

“Honor your father and mother. Then you will live a long, full life in the land the Lord your God is giving you.

Matthew 19:19:

Honor your father and mother. Love your neighbor as yourself.

Ephesians 6:2-3:
“Honor your father and mother.” This is the first commandment with a promise: If you honor your father and mother, “things will go well for you, and you will have a long life on the earth.”

If this is not God talking to all of us than I don't know what is. This should be enough for anyone

Strict obedience is for children however. The poster in question is an adult with children of her own. The reason she is living with her parents again is temporary..

I don't think the Bible demands unquestioning obedience to everything our parents might want of us when we are adults. We are able to make our own decisions, most certainly about things like personal health care.

Always we take into consideration our parents thoughts, my dad was definitely my advisor when I was a young adult and I probably did 90% of what he suggested because I valued his advice... but I didn't feel compelled to do literally everything he thought was positive out of some need to be 100% obedient in all things... and I don't think it's what the Bible requires.

Like we have all told her, while she is under her parents roof it's one thing, but as an adult she can always choose to move out and follow for herself what advice she feels best. That's part of being an adult.

 

[Taodeching]

Like we have all told her, while she is under her parents roof it's one thing, but as an adult she can always choose to move out and follow for herself what advice she feels best. That's part of being an adult.

Sure but honoring parents does not stop at adulthood. The truth of the matter is she doesn't want any shots and will make any excuse. Really we who care are wasting our time because it's clear people think we are hateful liars. One last observation, we don't have real Christianity here we something called western Christianity that we define how we want it. I am done here, I am tried of others not caring.

 

[Hazelelponi]

Sure but honoring parents does not stop at adulthood. The truth of the matter is she doesn't want any shots and will make any excuse. Really we who care are wasting our time because it's clear people think we are hateful liars. One last observation, we don't have real Christianity here we something called western Christianity that we define how we want it. I am done here, I am tried of others not caring.

I care... I just don't think "care" has to follow a party line. We are talking about personal healthcare decisions about what until today was considered experimental medicine, and in times past that's never been painted with identical brush for all, yet now it seems to follow political party line and anyone not following that line is painted a heretic. That's frightening for anyone with sense.

I'm just trying to be real here.

 

[Taodeching]

I care... I just don't think "care" has to follow a party line. We are talking about personal healthcare decisions about what until today was considered experimental medicine, and in times past that's never been painted with identical brush for all, yet now it seems to follow political party line and anyone not following that line is painted a heretic. That's frightening for anyone with sense.

I'm just trying to be real here.

You would be wrong I am no liberal. It also follows along judgement lines seeing that if someone cares enough they are labeled liberal. That is why I am done, no caring at all and much judgement

 

[Macchiato]

You would be wrong I am no liberal. It also follows along judgement lines seeing that if someone cares enough they are labeled liberal. That is why I am done, no caring at all and much judgement

But you yourself are passing judgement.

 

[ForHimbyHim]

Sure but honoring parents does not stop at adulthood. The truth of the matter is she doesn't want any shots and will make any excuse. Really we who care are wasting our time because it's clear people think we are hateful liars. One last observation, we don't have real Christianity here we something called western Christianity that we define how we want it. I am done here, I am tried of others not caring.

Really, what happens if you love someone and your unsaved parents tell you not to marry them because they are the wrong race, ethnicity, paycheck level, class level. All other avenues you have gone through approve, but your parents say no, do you not get married?

What about if you're a married man and your narcissistic parent is always attacking your wife and asking you to leave them, do you do so without question.
Yes honour your parents, but parents also ought not exasperate their children.

I am a parent. Even though majority of the time I do things with a desire for my child's bettering, but I am not always correct, even if I have good intentions.

At times I am the one who needs correction.

 

[spiritfilledjm]

Really, what happens if you love someone and your unsaved parents tell you not to marry them because they are the wrong race, ethnicity, paycheck level, class level. All other avenues you have gone through approve, but your parents say no, do you not get married?

What about if you're a married man and your narcissistic parent is always attacking your wife and asking you to leave them, do you do so without question.
Yes honour your parents, but parents also ought not exasperate their children.

I am a parent. Even though majority of the time I do things with a desire for my child's bettering, but I am not always correct, even if I have good intentions.

At times I am the one who needs correction.

There is never a reason to be disrespectful towards one parent's, even if they are being racist, nasty, belligerent or anything. The verses about honoring one's parents are regarding the attitude one takes in how they treat their parents. One can still be respectful towards parents while choosing to not do what it is that they wish, especially if that wish is clearly outside the will of God, such as not wanting a child to marry someone only due to their race and ethnicity.

As far as a parent bashing their child's spouse and telling them to leave them, that is the precise reason God said what he did in Genesis 2:24

 

[ForHimbyHim]

There is never a reason to be disrespectful towards one parent's, even if they are being racist, nasty, belligerent or anything. The verses about honoring one's parents are regarding the attitude one takes in how they treat their parents. One can still be respectful towards parents while choosing to not do what it is that they wish, especially if that wish is clearly outside the will of God, such as not wanting a child to marry someone only due to their race and ethnicity.

As far as a parent bashing their child's spouse and telling them to leave them, that is the precise reason God said what he did in Genesis 2:24

I totally agree with you, I think I was speaking more towards people who seem to be saying you always have to have a yes response to your parents. Regardless of the circumstances around.

 

[seeking.IAM]

My perspective is your parents have the right to make decisions for their own household. "You must do this if you want to live here" is a reasonable position that parents might take on a variety of issues, especially one of this importance. I think many people, myself included, would not want to share their household with someone who is not vaccinated when they could be.

That leaves moving out as your option, and then you get to run your household the way you see fit just like your parents do theirs. Since you are a single parent, I think it would also be prudent for you to make legal arrangements for who you want to raise your child if you contract Covid and die due to your conviction to not get vaccinated.

 

[ForHimbyHim]

My perspective is your parents have the right to make decisions for their own household. "You must do this if you want to live here" is a reasonable position that parents might take on a variety of issues, especially one of this importance. I think many people, myself included, would not want to share their household with someone who is not vaccinated when they could be.

That leaves moving out as your option, and then you get to run your household the way you see fit just like your parents do theirs. Since you are a single parent, I think it would also be prudent for you to make legal arrangements for who you want to raise your child if you contract Covid and die due to your conviction to not get vaccinated.

I don't know, in our country parents marry off 13 year olds. If the girl doesn't want to marry the man she should move out? Things are not always so black and white.

 

[seeking.IAM]

I don't know, in our country parents marry off 13 year olds. If the girl doesn't want to marry the man she should move out? Things are not always so black and white.

No, she shouldn't in that case. But then I think she is obligated to follow the rules of the household.