Misconceptions

[ScottBot]

He ain't the boss of me.

Actually, he is your servant. However, that is beyond they purview of this conversation.

 

[ScottBot]

My liberty is found IN His precepts. It's walking in the narrow path that gives us liberty imo.
But I still dont understand why you'd say that I'm
subject to the pope.


Who did?
Show me.

Its part of the whole Unum Sanctum discussion that has been happening. I am avoiding it specifically because it doesn't do anything but start arguements here.

But, only because you sound genuinely curious, it was Pope Boniface VIII on November 18, 1302.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Bon08/B8unam.htm

 

[TraderJack]

Its part of the whole Unum Sanctum discussion that has been happening. I am avoiding it specifically because it doesn't do anything but start arguements here.

Well, don't you know, this forum is for DEBATING, which is argument. Which is a good thing.

But, only because you sound genuinely curious, it was Pope Boniface VIII on November 18, 1302.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Bon08/B8unam.htm

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that EVERY HUMAN CREATURE be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

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And is so doing Rome followed in the footsteps of the Judaizers by adding conditions for salvation that are anti-Biblical and anti-Christ, which undermine the True Gospel of Christ, just as the Judaizers did by adding unneccessary conditions.

Not only did it distort the "nulla sallus" but also distorts and adds to the Gospel unneccessary conditions that turn it into "another gospel" as Paul said.

 

[NoDoubt]

Actually, he is your servant. However, that is beyond they purview of this conversation.

How can I be his subject and under his authority and yet he is my servant?

 

[TraderJack]

Actually, he is your servant. .

That is the Roman theory, and only that.

 

[ScottBot]

Well, don't you know, this forum is for DEBATING, which is argument. Which is a good thing.



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And is so doing Rome followed in the footsteps of the Judaizers by adding conditions for salvation that are anti-Biblical and anti-Christ, which undermine the True Gospel of Christ, just as the Judaizers did by adding unneccessary conditions.

Not only did it distort the "nulla sallus" but also distorts and adds to the Gospel unneccessary conditions that turn it into "another gospel" as Paul said.

Like TULIP doesn't "add" to the Gospel.

THe sword cuts both ways chief.

 

[ScottBot]

That is the Roman theory, and only that.

No, it is the truth. I am sorry that your mind is clouded by your bias rooted in the religion of Calvin.

 

[fated]

How can I be his subject and under his authority and yet he is my servant?

You are right, he is a loving father who respects your freedom, though it has not always been so...

You, sister Christian, ARE subject to the Roman Pontiff, why don't you open your eyes and see...

And I his loyal subject.

What, sister, did you want me to explain?

 

[sunlover1]

Its part of the whole Unum Sanctum discussion that has been happening. I am avoiding it specifically because it doesn't do anything but start arguements here.

I see.

But, only because you sound genuinely curious,

Yes, it was indeed genuine curiosity you heard.

it was Pope Boniface VIII on November 18, 1302.

http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Bon08/B8unam.htm

Therefore, of the one and only Church there is one body and one head, not two heads like a monster;

A given

that is, Christ and the Vicar of Christ, Peter and the successor of Peter,

Actually, your guy is assuming a lot here.

Therefore, if the Greeks or others should say that they are not confided to Peter and to his successors, they must confess not being the sheep of Christ, since Our Lord says in John 'there is one sheepfold and one shepherd.'

You really dont see the irony of all of this,
so rather than risking offending you ,
I will just say that the one sheepfold are those who
are reborn.
No ambiguity there, Jesus came right out and said those words.

 

[fated]

Well, don't you know, this forum is for DEBATING, which is argument. Which is a good thing.



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And is so doing Rome followed in the footsteps of the Judaizers by adding conditions for salvation that are anti-Biblical and anti-Christ, which undermine the True Gospel of Christ, just as the Judaizers did by adding unneccessary conditions.

Not only did it distort the "nulla sallus" but also distorts and adds to the Gospel unneccessary conditions that turn it into "another gospel" as Paul said.

What is the problem here? Are you subject to Calvin?

Why are you locked in discussion with Roman Catholics?

I don't understand what you don't understand.... I cannot support Bible worship...

 

[Komnenos]

What I really don't understand is why the Protestants care so much what the Catholic church says or what the Pope says? You aren't a member so why care? Just pray for your salvation and the salvation of others.

 

[ScottBot]

How can I be his subject and under his authority and yet he is my servant?

How can a husband be both his wife's leader and her servant?

Oh oh, Scotty just opened up a can-o-worms!

 

[fated]

I see.


Yes, it was indeed genuine curiosity you heard.



A given


Actually, your guy is assuming a lot here.


You really dont see the irony of all of this,
so rather than risking offending you ,
I will just say that the one sheepfold are those who
are reborn.
No ambiguity there, Jesus came right out and said those words.

This is the Churches view, that all the properly baptized are rightly called Christians.

The does not mean that some of the sheep won't understand the Traditions that are passed on to them.

 

[fated]

What I really don't understand is why the Protestants care so much what the Catholic church says or what the Pope says? You aren't a member so why care? Just pray for your salvation and the salvation of others.

They often also have massive misconception on what the Orthodox Church see the Pope as, but assert that the disagreement is essentially identical...

 

[ScottBot]

What I really don't understand is why the Protestants care so much what the Catholic church says or what the Pope says? You aren't a member so why care? Just pray for your salvation and the salvation of others.

Its the fascination with insisting that the Catholic Church is the harlot of Babylon and that the Pope is the AntiChrist. It wears thin on your nerves after being repeated 3 dozen times a day in these forums.

 

[Komnenos]

They often also have massive misconception on what the Orthodox Church see the Pope as, but assert that the disagreement is essentially identical...

Not Identical at all.

 

[Rick Otto]

Lol

 

[Komnenos]

Lol

LOL?

 

[NoDoubt]

Just pray for your salvation

Done years ago! No need to do it over and over again.

and the salvation of others.

Of course I pray for my unsaved loved ones and all others as well

 

[NoDoubt]

How can a husband be both his wife's leader and her servant?

Oh oh, Scotty just opened up a can-o-worms!

haha. Right! I'm not married to the pope is my expected reply!!!