Misconceptions

[LittleLambofJesus]

becuase he is?

Ok.......All I got to say to that is.....


http://foru.ms/t6399100-question-for-catholics-vs-orthodox.html

 

[MoNiCa4316]

Hi. So why does the Roman Pope still try to proclaim himself Vicar of Christ to the world?

I see where Monica acknowledged my acceptance of the Roman Pontif's apologies but how come this wasn't addressed?

Well I don't think that the Pope needs to apologize for proclaiming that he's the Pope that is not a sin, like the other things.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Well I don't think that the Pope needs to apologize for proclaiming that he's the Pope that is not a sin, like the other things.

Hi Monica. I never implied it was a "sin". How about concerning Unifying Christianity under the Banner of CHRIST. Anyway, I am thru with this thread as it is the same merry-go round as all the other Roman catholic vs "them" threads. Adios.

http://foru.ms/t5805969&page=74
What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

quote: The Pope would renounce his Roman Catholicism and become Orthodox. There is nothing that would cause the Church as a whole to join with him

 

[sunlover1]

you guys gotta see this:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=6lZzp1u1PDQ

it's a Rich Mullins song

Awesome, I always liked rich!

Sunlover, no that is not true. I never said that what Jesus said was wrong in any way. I just said that ONLY He has the authority and right to say such things...and that we don't. Only He can call someone a hypocrite without becoming a hypocrite Himself.

But was what Jesus said loving? Of coures it was.
It didnt SOUND loving, but He IS love, and so we
know it was said in love.
Jesus wasnt the only one who called names.
Paul did as well.

Sunlover, I agree with you here, if you see a Christian falling away from faith, you should try and help them.

What I meant is that there is a right and a wrong way to tell them...we should still speak with compassion

THIS is where you maybe misunderstand me.
Christs WAS speaking with compassion when He spoke.
Always and forever God is compassionate.
Paul WAS speaking with compassion when He called the galatians foolish.
It IS compassionate to say "WAKE UP brother, you've
been DUPED!"
It IS compassionate when we smack baby's hand to keep
them from grabbing the burning log in the fireplace...

Do we ever consider that MOST wont find the gate and path that leads to life?
BIG time compassionate to do whatever it takes to persuade.
Where you see error in me, you show me. And I what? I appreciated that didnt I?
(We cannot expect guys btw to be all mushy and lovey towards each other. They're wired differently.
Seriously, I have seven sons,
and live in testosterone town, usa)

Preach the word !!
Be instant in season and out of season!!
Reprove !!
Rebuke !!
Exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. !!

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine;
but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

What I meant in my previous post was that if we see a hypocrite, for example, we can't just come up to them and say "you're a hypocrite and God will judge you..you don't love God".

I dont know. Hypocrite, liar, whatever, none of those
things are nice sounding.
Are we to speak that truth in love though? I dont know.
Would we just keep quiet?
Would we try to sugar coat the truth, or be more
politically correct?

10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision:
11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre’s sake.
(This is some serious stuff here! How would we
address such)​

12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.
13 This witness is true. Wherefore rebuke them sharply, that they may be sound in the faith; 14 Not giving heed to Jewish fables, and commandments of men, that turn from the truth. 15 Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled. 16 They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobatee. ​

e reprobate: or, void of judgment

While there ARE posters who are just bullies,
mean spirited, displaying no good fruit, trouble makers,
causing strife...
There are those who are ACCUSED of being mean who
are merely speaking their truth, trying to defend the faith.

I think often when we rebuke others we are in danger of falling into sin ourselves...especially pride and anger. That is why I think we should be careful with this, and if we see a brother or sister in sin, we should pray for them first and try to forgive them, and remember our own sinfulness..and only then, speak the truth (with love).

Good reminder.

We need to always speak as the oracles of God

 

[fated]

Hi. So why does the Roman Pope still try to proclaim himself Vicar of Christ to the world?

The Pope does not proclaim himself, he is proclaimed. The Pope is appointed by the magesterium, just as Peter was appointed by Jesus Christ.

 

[Catholic Christian]

Hi. So why does the Roman Pope still try to proclaim himself Vicar of Christ to the world?

Well, he LOOKS like the pope. He sounds like the pope. I think he's the pope.

 

[Catholic Christian]

The Pope does not proclaim himself, he is proclaimed. The Pope is appointed by the magesterium, just as Peter was appointed by Jesus Christ.

Close enough for jazz

 

[fated]

Well, he LOOKS like the pope. He sounds like the pope. I think he's the pope.

Long live the Pope!

 

[fated]

Close enough for jazz

Habemus Papam is the declaration! (We have a Pope)!

 

[Catholic Christian]

Habemus Papam is the declaration! (We have a Pope)!

Yes. But I think it would be more correct to say that he was chosen from among his peers with the prompting of the Holy Spirit rather that saying he was chosen by the Magisterium, because the Magisterium is the "teaching" authority of the Church.

 

[Philothei]

Well, he LOOKS like the pope. He sounds like the pope. I think he's the pope.

aaawwww what a nice pic....

The bishop of Rome ....

 

[TraderJack]

You're the one that keeps saying "Judge them by their fruits". Now that the fruits are shown to you, you duck and dodge.

No terry, once again you are confused about what "fruit" is.

The truth is not in Rome, and hasn't been for a long time.

Charity is a worthwhile endeavor, but that does not constitute or equate to being true. Or else you have to apply that same standard to Mormons, Buddhists, Muslims and others who do charitible works.

Get it? Prolly not.

After the US Government, the Catholic Church is the largest health care provider in the US.

So you say.

This is a result of Catholic culture, and those "Dark Ages" you love to misrepresent.

Please learn how to read what is said in context terry.

When I reference the "dark ages" it is in reference to the terrible doctrines and dogmas and superstitious practices that developed in the Roman religion and not in reference to "charity". So please try not to misrepresent what I say.

 

[TraderJack]

Christ said people will come shouting that they preached in His name and He will turn them away saying He never knew them because when He was hungry, in prison, and sick, those people ignored His need. He said that others, who took care of the hungry, the sick, the poor, and the imprisoned, would sit on His right side in heaven.

I see, so you support a works based salvation. Interesting.

Again - I am not saying that I agree with everything the Catholic Church teaches. If I did, I would just convert.

Are you familiar with the Biblical warnings about false prophets?

Do you believe the Bible?

Do you believe what Jesus said about false prophets?

Rome claims that when the pope of Rome makes an infallible proclamation, that it is the Holy Spirit speaking through the pope. In other words, just as the Prophets of God pronouced, "Thus saith the Lord".

Quite a bold and fantastic claim don't you think?

Do you believe the Bible is correct when saying:

1 John 4:1
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

Now, do you believe the Holy Spirit was speaking through the pope of Rome when declaring:

Therefore, if the Greeks or others should say that they are not confided to Peter and to his successors, they must confess not being the sheep of Christ, since Our Lord says in John 'there is one sheepfold and one shepherd.' We are informed by the texts of the gospels that in this Church and in its power are two swords; namely, the spiritual and the temporal...

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Yes or no?

Or are we to expect no dialogue from you on a point by point basis but only more misinformed driveby rants?

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by LittleLambofJesus
Hi. So why does the Roman Pope still try to proclaim himself Vicar of Christ to the world?

becuase he is?

Nahhhhhhhhh, the Holy Spirit is.

popes are usurpers of the Title of the Holy Spirit, ie-Vicar of Christ, so said Tertullian.

 

[Catholic Christian]

No terry, once again you are confused about what "fruit" is.

Oh God, give me the grace to not make a joke out of that post....
..thats a better straight line than Bud Abbot ever delivered...

 

[TraderJack]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
No terry, once again you are confused about what "fruit" is.

Oh God, give me the grace to not make a joke out of that post....

Please terry, for your own benefit and welfare, please, please, please learn how to read things in context and not through a preconceived, conditioned paradigm. It really will help with genuine learning and reduce stress.

 

[TraderJack]

Well I don't think that the Pope needs to apologize for proclaiming that he's the Pope that is not a sin, like the other things.

But this is:

Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.

Let Rome say formally by an "infallible" formal dogmatic declaration, that the above declaration was false and caused violence in the Body of Christ.

But Rome cannot do that, because the declaration above was an "infallible" declaration spoken by the Holy Spirit through Boniface VIII, and to issue another "infallible" declaration that denounces it would be admitting that the Roman magesterium is not "infallible", and many Roman Catholics would realize they have been deceived and would undermine the entire basis of Roman Catholicism, being the papacy and the fallacy of "infallibility".

 

[Catholic Christian]

Originally Posted by TraderJack
No terry, once again you are confused about what "fruit" is.


Please terry, for your own benefit and welfare, please, please, please learn how to read things in context and not through a preconceived, conditioned paradigm. It really will help with genuine learning and reduce stress.

Are you for real? Seriously though - "stress"? Me? The guy that makes all the jokes, while you're sending everyone to the fiery basement? You're way out dude: Thats the only way I can think of to describe it. You wave your bible around like a battleaxe, then say other people are stressing out. Holy moley.

What do you do for fun? Golf? Movies? Star Trek? There's got to be more to you than the Johnny one-note I see in this forum. Can you post something "real", or human, just once? For me?

 

[Rick Otto]

Terry would please make a serious comment on this:

"Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is absolutely necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff."

Is it true?
Whas it realy said?
was it true then, but now?
What ablout it?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

aaawwww what a nice pic....

The bishop of Rome ....

What the pope is really thinking: "those pesky EO folks, let 'em eat their hearts out , snicker. I will never ever be unseated from my Throne of Glory, becuz I have da force"!!!!!!