Millie, current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, accused of undermining Trump's authority

[TLK Valentine]

Please don't make things up, you don't know that.

Pot, meet kettle. Do you know what was said?

 

[rambot]

Hey...maybe hands up.

Who here in this forum has had a front row seat to a Donald Trump military Chiefs of staffe meeting Nobody?
Nobody?

Just Milley then.

 

[Pommer]

Pot, meet kettle. Do you know what was said?

Just as soon as Tucker reveals it!

 

[Valletta]

Pot, meet kettle. Do you know what was said?

A number of excerpts according to the authors from the Washington Post, and they just stated they stand by it. As I said, we need a transcript or an audio. Again, please don't just make up information.

 

[TLK Valentine]

A number of excerpts according to the authors from the Washington Post, and they just stated they stand by it. As I said, we need a transcript or an audio. Again, please don't just make up information.

Back at ya. Although trusting the Washington Post is a refreshing change of attitude.

 

[wing2000]

I've never spoken with him. President Biden has broad authority to declassify the audio or transcripts of the conversations.

You inferred the general passed on classified information. I've read the WaPo article and the account of un-named sources as to what he allegedly said. None of that was classified information.

 

[wing2000]

You can meet with anyone as long was you want as long as you don't release classified information. Dinner and drinks is OK too. Again, if the Washington Post is accurate, this was a phone call done behind Trump's back. You can't be informing foreign countries as to your classified conversations with the president. At this point it is in the best interests for the nation for the transcripts of the conversations to be made public.

Meeting's such as this occur all the time without the involvement of the POTUS. You make it sound like the general met with the POTUS, then picked up the phone to relay the information with his Chinese counter part. When in fact, according to the article, the general was responding to US intelligence indicating the Chinese believed the US may attack them. The decision to call the Chinese general would have been reviewed by the Pentagon and probably other agencies such as the State department.

 

[Valletta]

Meeting's such as this occur all the time without the involvement of the POTUS. You make it sound like the general met with the POTUS, then picked up the phone to relay the information with his Chinese counter part. When in fact, according to the article, the general was responding to US intelligence indicating the Chinese believed the US may attack them. The decision to call the Chinese general would have been reviewed by the Pentagon and probably other agencies such as the State department.

The question is not about meetings, the accusation by the Washington Post authors are about what Milley said. The accusations need refutation from the Biden administration. Did Milley insert himself into the chain of command? Did Milley, without permission, inform the Chinese about classified material or tell them he would warn them if the U.S. were to order an attack?

 

[Pommer]

Did Milley, without permission, inform the Chinese about classified material or tell them he would warn them if the U.S. were to order an attack?

Apparently not, but do be outraged anyways!

 

[Semper-Fi]

U.S. Gen. Mark Milley was serving under President Donald Trump,
he bypassed the commander in chief and took his marching orders
from Nancy Pelosi. Treason is a word to describe this act.


He presided over the disastrous Afghanistan evacuation.
He knew the Abbey Gate bombing was coming and did nothing,
ordered the “righteous” drone strike that killed an Afghan family.
Following that, he abandoned American citizens trapped in Taliban
-controlled Afghanistan.

 

[Aldebaran]

Why would a U.S. military general stand with the "right"?

It's clear where General Milley stands: For the United States.

Would that also mean that if Trump had ordered a drone strike on ISIS in Afghanistan at the time, and General Milley didn't agree with it, it would be the General's job to warn the ISIS members about it in advance so they could escape?

 

[TLK Valentine]

Would that also mean that if Trump had ordered a drone strike on ISIS in Afghanistan at the time, and General Milley didn't agree with it, it would be the General's job to warn the ISIS members about it in advance so they could escape?

Are you suggesting that Donald was planning to order an unprovoked attack on China?

Because that's the only way your analogy makes even a modicum of sense.

 

[wing2000]

Would that also mean that if Trump had ordered a drone strike on ISIS in Afghanistan at the time, and General Milley didn't agree with it, it would be the General's job to warn the ISIS members about it in advance so they could escape?

No. Try again.

 

[Aldebaran]

No. Try again.

What if Milley thought it was a bad idea, and that it might trigger ISIS to launch further attacks against us? Would you say that Milley would be patriotic (or even heroic) by warning ISIS about it, thus saving American lives that could be lost due to an ISIS retaliation?

 

[Yttrium]

What if Milley thought it was a bad idea, and that it might trigger ISIS to launch further attacks against us? Would you say that Milley would be patriotic (or even heroic) by warning ISIS about it, thus saving American lives that could be lost due to an ISIS retaliation?

Certainly not. ISIS is a crazed terrorist organization and a continuing threat.

 

[Aldebaran]

Certainly not. ISIS is a crazed terrorist organization and a continuing threat.

Yet we're working with the Taliban who released ISIS members who ended up killing 200 people including 13 of our service members. If the government wants to "work with" them, why not also warn them of upcoming attacks?

 

[Yttrium]

Yet we're working with the Taliban who released ISIS members who ended up killing 200 people including 13 of our service members. If the government wants to "work with" them, why not also warn them of upcoming attacks?

Warn the Taliban? We've shifted to attacking the Taliban now? Well, warning them would be bad too. You seem to think we've suddenly become buddies with them or something. Not hardly.

 

[Aldebaran]

Warn the Taliban? We've shifted to attacking the Taliban now? Well, warning them would be bad too. You seem to think we've suddenly become buddies with them or something. Not hardly.

I was making a comparison between what Milley did (helping China if we were about to attack them) and if he had done the same thing if we were about to attack the Taliban or ISIS. There are people actually praising Milley for his actions with China, so I have to wonder if they'd praise him the same if he also would be be found to have helped the Taliban or ISIS against any attacks we were about to do against them.

 

[Yttrium]

I was making a comparison between what Milley did (helping China if we were about to attack them) and if he had done the same thing if we were about to attack the Taliban or ISIS. There are people actually praising Milley for his actions with China, so I have to wonder if they'd praise him the same if he also would be be found to have helped the Taliban or ISIS against any attacks we were about to do against them.

Nope. They wouldn't. However, they would praise him if he would be found to have helped Britain or France or Saudi Arabia or Mexico against any attacks we were about to do against them. Because such attacks would be highly irrational. Like attacking China.

 

[wing2000]

What if Milley thought it was a bad idea, and that it might trigger ISIS to launch further attacks against us? Would you say that Milley would be patriotic (or even heroic) by warning ISIS about it, thus saving American lives that could be lost due to an ISIS retaliation?

With China, Milley was responding to China's mistaken perception that the US would attack them. When countries like China or Russia mis-read our intentions, it's in our national security interest to clarify our intent. Now if we were actually at war with China and Miley pre-warned them about a specific attack (i.e. your ISIS scenario), that would be another matter.

btw, Trump picked Milley to be the JCS Chief over the objections of the Pentagon. Milley was his choice. And as you might recall, Milley carried out the order to assassinate Soleimani.