Millie, current chairman of the Joint Chiefs, accused of undermining Trump's authority

[GreekOrthodox]

Maybe some new 'unstable while in charge of a country' offence should be created.

That's why we do have the 25th amendment, but in this kind of instance, the president could create an incident without anyone being able to stop him. Even if some crazy notion gets stopped further down the chain a la Petrov and the USSR, there could be enough of a problem that something unintended does happen. There are plenty of fictional movies and books that go down this path especially during the Cold War, from "Dr. Strangelove" and "Failsafe" to some of Tom Clancy's books and movies, such as "Sum of all Fears".

 

[TLK Valentine]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2021/09/14/gen-mark-milley-worried-trump-could-launch-n
If this report turns out to be true, what should be the consequences for General Milley? If Nancy Pelosi is found to have advised Milley to do so, what should be the consequences for her?

Unless Donald actually gave an attack order, there was nothing to undermine.

Did he?

 

[Valletta]

If Trump had been planning a military attack, and if Milley had then informed the Chinese of this planned attack - somehow Trump's minions have turned what actually happened into that, something that didn't happen. It's all very odd. They appear to be confusing basic concepts like the difference between an invasion/first strike and a declaration of war. Odder still, the same people crying treason support/supported the overthrow of a duly elected government based on the ramblings of some character off the TV.

Millley's actions of collaborating with a foreign enemy government and collaborating with Pelosi and Schumer and having his subordinates pledge allegiance to him, again if the authors are truthful, amount to treason. President Trump was duly elected, and no subordinate to the president can legally work to undermine the chain of command.

 

[Valletta]

That's why we do have the 25th amendment, but in this kind of instance, the president could create an incident without anyone being able to stop him. Even if some crazy notion gets stopped further down the chain a la Petrov and the USSR, there could be enough of a problem that something unintended does happen. There are plenty of fictional movies and books that go down this path especially during the Cold War, from "Dr. Strangelove" and "Failsafe" to some of Tom Clancy's books and movies, such as "Sum of all Fears".

No, we are talking about Milley's actions to undermine a duly elected president of the United States. If you feel the president is acting improperly you can resign, that's what two of the FDA commissioners did when they felt the Biden administration was improperly pressuring them on the vaccine.

 

[GreekOrthodox]

Millley's actions of collaborating with a foreign enemy government and collaborating with Pelosi and Schumer and having his subordinates pledge allegiance to him, again if the authors are truthful, amount to treason. President Trump was duly elected, and no subordinate to the president can legally work to undermine the chain of command.

"I was only following orders" - First Lieutenant William Calley

 

[Tom 1]

Millley's actions of collaborating with a foreign enemy government and collaborating with Pelosi and Schumer and having his subordinates pledge allegiance to him, again if the authors are truthful, amount to treason. President Trump was duly elected, and no subordinate to the president can legally work to undermine the chain of command.

Can you please explain why you think this:

a) Chinese intelligence services believed an imminent first strike by the US was a credible threat
b) This piece of information was intercepted
c) Milley, in his position as the top military officer of the US, was shown this information
d) He contacted someone of equivalent rank in China to de-escalate the situation by assuring the Chinese that no such first strike was being planned.

The actual things that actually happened, has anything to do with the stuff you just keep repeating? I would really appreciate it if you could shed some light on why you think the random notions you have are in some way connected to the actual events, thankyou.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Millley's actions of collaborating with a foreign enemy government and collaborating with Pelosi and Schumer and having his subordinates pledge allegiance to him, again if the authors are truthful, amount to treason. President Trump was duly elected, and no subordinate to the president can legally work to undermine the chain of command.

Fortunately, as no command was given, there was nothing to undermine.

Had the situation arose that would require an attack on China, Milley would have known about it long before Donald would...

... In fact, it's even money that Donald would only know about it because Milley informed him.

And in fact, Milley did not undermine the chain of command because Milley's subordinates are supposed to be loyal to him (Milley) as he is their immediate superior in that chain.

A General doesn't give orders directly to the privates... He passes the order to a Colonel, who gives it to a Major, who orders a Captain.... etc.... That's how the chain of command works, and it applies even to the Commander-in-Chief.

Skipping a link in the chain is a serious breach of military protocol...

 

[jayem]

Millley's actions of collaborating with a foreign enemy government .

Huh? Since when is China a foreign “enemy?” They’re an economic competitor. But Congress hasn’t declared war on China. Or authorized any kind of military action against the Chinese. And why would China even remotely consider any armed aggression against us? We’re their biggest customer. We spend more on their products than the all of the EU nations combined. It makes no sense that China would do anything to risk that relationship.

And BTW, guess where our former fearless leader had his (now discontinued) menswear made?

 

[Blade]

Well he hasn't said anything yet so far its just what the book said. We know how Milley stands..its not with the right but IF big IF this is true.. this is huge! He has no power what so ever to do what its written he did. Oh then the left take it as fact and praise him for it. If he didn't agree like what president Trump was doing he should have just stepped down.

I know for some its so easy to run with this as if its fact.. its not. Its something written in a book. Who says "if we attack I'll call you" <--thats what he has no power to do. He controlled nothing.. he advised .. that was his job.

 

[Sparagmos]

Contacting the Chinese and informing them about a potential action of the president is an act of treason. If the Washington Post falsely reported they are in big trouble. Milley needs to make a public statement immediately.

On what grounds?

 

[Sparagmos]

Millley's actions of collaborating with a foreign enemy government and collaborating with Pelosi and Schumer and having his subordinates pledge allegiance to him, again if the authors are truthful, amount to treason. President Trump was duly elected, and no subordinate to the president can legally work to undermine the chain of command.

China isn’t a foreign enemy. He didn’t collaborate with them on anything. He let them know that the reports they were getting about a possible attack from the U.S. were not true. Which is exactly what he should have done. A subordinate is obligated to refuse unlawful orders, and the President cannot declare war. It’s pretty disgusting how much power you all desire and imagine the President to have.

 

[wing2000]

Well he hasn't said anything yet so far its just what the book said. We know how Milley stands..its not with the right

Why would a U.S. military general stand with the "right"?

It's clear where General Milley stands: For the United States.

 

[Valletta]

Huh? Since when is China a foreign “enemy?” They’re an economic competitor. But Congress hasn’t declared war on China. Or authorized any kind of military action against the Chinese. And why would China even remotely consider any armed aggression against us? We’re their biggest customer. We spend more on their products than the all of the EU nations combined. It makes no sense that China would do anything to risk that relationship.

And BTW, guess where our former fearless leader had his (now discontinued) menswear made?

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Briefings between the president and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs are CLASSIFIED. Now Trump was the first president in some time to NOT start a war, he might and did throw tariffs on Chinese goods, but let's say he changed his demeanor, it still is not he place of any American to provide classified information to a foreign government. If Milley was concerned it was his job to have the COURAGE to tell President Trump, "Look, even considering attacking is crazy," and explain his reasons why. If the President would not budge than Milley was to tell him "I must resign unless you change your mind."
Now what if some general did not have the affinity for the Chinese that you and Milley do? Let's say he didn't like the Chinese enslaving millions of Muslims, throwing protesters in Hong Kong in prison for decades, not informing the world immediately about the China virus, buzzing Taiwan with their aircraft, etc. Would it be OK for that general to inform China's neighbors on secret U.S. intelligence regarding the Chinese. The elected president of the United States is the commander-in-chief, breaking with the chain of command and having officers swear allegiance to you can be considered a coup.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Briefings between the president and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs are CLASSIFIED. Now Trump was the first president in some time to NOT start a war, he might and did throw tariffs on Chinese goods, but let's say he changed his demeanor, it still is not he place of any American to provide classified information to a foreign government.

Donald didn't change his demeanor.

If Milley was concerned it was his job to have the COURAGE to tell President Trump, "Look, even considering attacking is crazy," and explain his reasons why. If the President would not budge than Milley was to tell him "I must resign unless you change your mind."

Donald would have fired him and replaced him with a sniveling yes-man... or a member of his own family.

Now what if some general did not have the affinity for the Chinese that you and Milley do? Let's say he didn't like the Chinese enslaving millions of Muslims, throwing protesters in Hong Kong in prison for decades, not informing the world immediately about the China virus, buzzing Taiwan with their aircraft, etc.

If it's all ok with the President, it'd be okay with his underlings.

Would it be OK for that general to inform China's neighbors on secret U.S. intelligence regarding the Chinese.

I wasn't aware that "We're not going to start WWIII" was secret intelligence.

The elected president of the United States is the commander-in-chief, breaking with the chain of command and having officers swear allegiance to you can be considered a coup.

Except it's not -- as has already been explained to you. No officer swears allegiance to the Commander in Chief.

The real problem here is Donald's relationship with the military -- he loved them (provided they weren't captured or killed) because he, like you, assumed that he was entitled to their unconditional loyalty...

Nope, turns out they thought he was a buffoon.

 

[wing2000]

Briefings between the president and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs are CLASSIFIED.

Not that it matters to your political (fantasy) narrative but the reality is it's not uncommon for Senior US defense officials to meet with their counterparts (China, Russia, etc) as the Pentgon spokesman Col Butler noted today.


"In his statement Wednesday, Butler said Milley “regularly communicates with Chiefs of Defense across the world, including with China and Russia.”

“These conversations remain vital to improving mutual understanding of U.S. national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict,” Butler said. “His calls with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...93fa18-1645-11ec-b976-f4a43b740aeb_story.html

 

[Valletta]

Not that it matters to your political (fantasy) narrative but the reality is it's not uncommon for Senior US defense officials to meet with their counterparts (China, Russia, etc) as the Pentgon spokesman Col Butler noted today.


"In his statement Wednesday, Butler said Milley “regularly communicates with Chiefs of Defense across the world, including with China and Russia.”

“These conversations remain vital to improving mutual understanding of U.S. national security interests, reducing tensions, providing clarity and avoiding unintended consequences or conflict,” Butler said. “His calls with the Chinese and others in October and January were in keeping with these duties and responsibilities conveying reassurance in order to maintain strategic stability.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...93fa18-1645-11ec-b976-f4a43b740aeb_story.html

You can meet with anyone as long was you want as long as you don't release classified information. Dinner and drinks is OK too. Again, if the Washington Post is accurate, this was a phone call done behind Trump's back. You can't be informing foreign countries as to your classified conversations with the president. At this point it is in the best interests for the nation for the transcripts of the conversations to be made public.

 

[TLK Valentine]

You can meet with anyone as long was you want as long as you don't release classified information. Dinner and drinks is OK too. Again, if the Washington Post is accurate, this was a phone call done behind Trump's back. You can't be informing foreign countries as to your classified conversations with the president. At this point it is in the best interests for the nation for the transcripts of the conversations to be made public.

There was no classified information released.

 

[wing2000]

You can meet with anyone as long was you want as long as you don't release classified information. Dinner and drinks is OK too. Again, if the Washington Post is accurate, this was a phone call done behind Trump's back. You can't be informing foreign countries as to your classified conversations with the president. At this point it is in the best interests for the nation for the transcripts of the conversations to be made public.

You pretend to lecture the JCS Chairman on what is classified information?

 

[Valletta]

You pretend to lecture the JCS Chairman on what is classified information?

I've never spoken with him. President Biden has broad authority to declassify the audio or transcripts of the conversations.

 

[Valletta]

There was no classified information released.

Please don't make things up, you don't know that.