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Military commander removed after denouncing neo-Marxist critical race theory

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by disciple Clint, May 17, 2021.

  1. disciple Clint

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    Why do you say that? I am not asking for evidence just some justification for your opinion
     
  2. RDKirk

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    That and his book. It doesn't matter so much which political orientation the organization had, what matters is that a military officer and commander was overtly connected with a political organization. That's just a plain, fat no-no that is flatly illegal. It's poison to command.

    In past years, officers often didn't even vote in order to remain apolitical, and I certainly never, ever heard an officer utter any political comments. Nobody knew Colin Powell was even a Republican until after he retired.

    Back during the Clinton Administration, it was no secret that the Clintons weren't a friend to the military, particularly after the Monica Lewinsky mess. Some anti-Clintonism had begun to ooze into view, such as senior officers having some anti-Clinton political cartoons on their desks.

    A very, very stern caution went out from the Pentagon: Slow that roll. The military will not take any political sides, and officers will be held to the fire if they let that happen. In fact, one Air Force general who went on an anti-Clinton diatribe during a political dinner found himself fired and retired tout suit.

    It's hard for me to imagine any senior officer not being aware that he can't publish a politically oriented book and appear in politically oriented media without repercussion. But this is a whole lot like that Texas lawyer who took a private plane to DC to participate in the Capitol riot...and seemed surprised that it got her into trouble. It's insane behavior.

    I keep telling you...it's a great spiritual delusion.
     
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  3. Ana the Ist

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    Are you just done making points and just attacking character now?
     
  4. iluvatar5150

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    No, not everybody who criticized it was disingenuous. Some of the criticism was perfectly legitimate and, as I pointed out earlier, not even necessary to make the point. I believe the baseball fans refer to this as an unforced error.

    Because that's what they do.

    Amendment 4: Unreasonable search & seizure.
    Amendment 6: Speedy trial
    Amendment 7: Trial by jury
    Amendment 8: Excessive bail​

    These amendments are all related to an efficient, fair judicial process. While libs are hardly perfect on these subjects, they're generally the ones pushing to: reform the criminal justice system, improve access to defense counsel, reduce excessive bail, reduce excessive sentencing, reform policing, reform prosecution, etc. Some of these issues have gotten some traction with conservatives, particularly those who lean more libertarian, but by and large, conservatives tend to resist most of these issues even though, for example, the combination of bad policing, bail requirements, inadequate counsel, and plea bargains winds up punishing a lot of innocent people; and the application of the death penalty is obviously uneven, unfair, and unacceptably inaccurate.

    Amendment 14 sec 1: Conferring of citizenship upon birth in the US​

    I don't know how much traction this idea got, but Trump was putting it out there:
    Trump Wants to Abolish Birthright Citizenship. Can He Do That? (Published 2019)


    Amendment 15: Voting eligibility can't be based on race.​

    Yet, because blacks tend to vote for Democrats, Republicans have tried to find ways to make it harder to vote that would disproportionately affect blacks and, thus, move the needle in favor of Republicans.


    Amendment 16: Congress can levy income taxes​

    IME, this is more of a kooky fringe thing, but there exists a segment of libertarian-minded conservatives who think Congress isn't allowed to do this.

    Amendment 24: Voting eligibility can't be restricted by poll taxes​

    Florida voters tried to restore voting rights to felons who'd completed their sentences. Florida Republicans then went and changed the definition of "completed sentence" to include all fees and fines, which are often poorly documented and hard to discover.
    Judges: Florida felons can't vote until they pay fines, fees


    It's a mix - sometimes character is the appropriate thing to criticize. It's become clearer to me that a large segment of the right isn't swayed by arguments and is, instead, guided by some mixture of dishonesty, ignorance, hatred of the left, identity-based paranoia, and the "spiritual delusion" that @RDKirk described. In these sorts of discussions, where it makes sense to make points, I make points. Where it's clear that the other side isn't operating in good faith or in a logical manner, I don't.

    With respect to this specific example, a person can't be well-informed and acting in good faith and complain about the historicity of the 1619 Project while also pushing Dinesh D'Souza, the 1176 Report, or The Big (election) Lie. IME, the folks pushing that specific set of ideas are either propagandists, usually profiting from their propaganda (e.g. the Hannities, Limbaughs, D'Souzas, Trumps of the world), or members of an audience that's already been propagandized. I don't think it's necessarily inappropriate to point out that propagandizing.
     
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  5. Ana the Ist

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    Sorry? I didn't see your earlier post. What number?
     
  6. iluvatar5150

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    Post 45, the one you quoted:
    "it was a good project that didn't need those stretches in order to make the bulk of its case"

    Though I just realized that I messed up post 64. When I wrote:

    "Some of the criticism was perfectly legitimate and, as I pointed out earlier, not even necessary to make the point."​

    ...what I meant to write was something to the effect of:

    "Some of the criticism was perfectly legitimate and, as I pointed out earlier, the errors that were the subject of that legitimate criticism were not even necessary to make the 1619 Project's point."​
     
  7. Ana the Ist

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    Ahhhh...ok. Clarification helped.
     
  8. Ana the Ist

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    I don't know, I've laid into the Christian right wing elements of this community pretty hard over the years. I don't expect to change minds but I've learned not to attack a moral belief. I remember talking down to people hard in the philosophy section. I made one guy debate me and he presented no argument....not a single word....until his last post so I wouldn't have any chance to refute it.

    Uh huh.

    Who?

    1776?

    Right well....unfortunately, things have gotten difficult in the news reporting segment of society.

    That's the main criticism of the 1619 Project. The main claims that 1619 was the "true founding of the nation" has been selectively edited from the book. The claim that the American Revolution was fought over slavery is provably false. Apparently the author was denied tenure at her alma mater when it came out, amongst other things, that she had a real historian fact check her work....

    And that historian told her not to publish. She did anyway.

    If this Dinesh has made some false claims somewhere....by all means, let's put it to light. I see no reason why the NYT, a news agency, is now writing fake history and then heaping praise upon itself in it's own bubble....then quietly retracting claims and fixing facts post-Pulitzer.
     
  9. rjs330

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    The entire military is engaging in partisan politics. The current crop of whomever is advising and commanding all of this Marxist, woke, racist nonsense in our military are too clueless to be in command.
     
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    Have you read his book?
     
  11. rjs330

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    He's right you know. Marxism is a danger to this country.
     
  12. Ana the Ist

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    There are people who look at the world through the lens of things like race and culture, power and privilege and oppression, gender and sex....and imagine these are the important things in history.

    To them the very idea that ideas are far far more significant, far more important, is almost too absurd to consider.
     
  13. disciple Clint

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    I would not see things quite as you do but that should be expected. No bail causes criminals to be released who continue to be a danger to the public. There are changes that Trump made in the justice system that improve it and he released several who he felt were victims of the system. What do you see that is incorrect in the 1776 project?
     
  14. RDKirk

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    Nobody is advocating Marxism in the military. Just because he calls it Marxism does not make it so.
     
  15. RDKirk

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    So, for the military to insist on a policy that Staff Sergeant A must be given equal consideration as Staff Sergeant B, if they meet military requirements equally, is "partisan politics?"

    Because that's all the military is actually doing: Insisting that everyone in uniform must be considered on an equal basis.

    Now, it's up to civilian leadership to determine who gets to wear the uniform. That's what Congress does.

    But once in uniform...everyone is uniform, as far as the military is concerned. And if soldiers don't realize that on their own, the military will indoctrinate them to that point. "We're all green here."
     
  16. KCfromNC

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    Yeah, imagine how terrible it would be if a large group was living entirely off government money. Not just their job, but housing, food, medical, government run stores, and so on. And if those people continued to get government welfare after leaving that group. And if the government just outright paid privately owned capitalist businesses to make stuff for this group to use as part of their day to day job - clothing, transportation, etc. I mean, that's beyond socialism.
     
  17. disciple Clint

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    Imagine if those people worked over 100 hours a week every week sometimes over 24 hours without sleep in dangerous conditions, doing things that other people would be afraid to do, and getting paid far less than they could be making at a much easier job. Imagine if you got to see your family once or twice a year for just a few days. I think we should show a lot of gratitude to that group of people but there is always a few self centered people who do not appreciate anything that is done for them.
     
  18. rjs330

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    I think he knows what he's talking about. He was in the military and had first hand experience. Hes not stupid.
     
  19. rjs330

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    That's not what's happening. The military is engaged in critical race theory and social justice programs. They are engaged in Marxist views. All if this is about social programming and not equal consideration. They are dealing in equity and not equality. It's a political agenda and partisan politics.
     
  20. rjs330

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    And this same group gets told what to wear, what to eat, where to go and where to live. They are also told what to do, when to wake up, go to bed and how to make their beds. They are told how long they can shower and when they can go to the bathroom. They are told what job they can do and told where to fight and die. Sounds great. A socialist dream.

    If we didn't provide incentives for that, no one would join the military voluntarily. Hello draft.
     
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