Uh, you did not "show" anything. You made only bare assertions. For example, you made the bare assertion that Israel does not exist today. I countered that assertion with Acts 2:39 in which Peter is addressing the men of Israel saying that the promise of the Holy Spirit was for THEM, and for their CHILDREN, and for those FOR A GREAT WHILE TO COME. It is saying that the promise was of the Holy Spirit was for them and their IMMEDIATE and their DISTANT offspring. I offered Isaiah 59:21 as a support verse. These scriptures destroy your theory that Israel does not exist today. You did not reply to Acts 2:39 specifically.
You said also that the old testament is about the twelve tribes only. I offered you Ezekiel 47:22 which commands Israel to treat Gentiles as "native born" Israelites, and that they are to be allotted an inheritance among the twelve tribes. And I gave the scripture from Isaiah which talks about Egyptians and Assyrians becoming God's people with Israel. So the old testament is NOT about the twelve tribes of Israel only. Again you did NOT answer specifically.
I had not yet commented on your parenthesis theory specifically. So you are arguing with someone else as far as I am concerned.
Then you tell me which scriptures I may or may not use. Wow! That's a first! My first thought was "The arrogance of this guy." This is not a formal debate in which we agree on rules and on what constitutes sources and such. This is informal conversation and I may invoke which ever scriptures I like and so may you. If you don't like it, then you should pass on commenting altogether.
There is no smoking gun verse that says Israel are not God's people today, but there is plenty of circumstantial evidence that they are not God’s people today.
(1) The curse of Isaiah 6:9-10, which, in its full state, would invoke total spiritual blindness on Israel, was pronounced 4 separate times in the NT. This is also quoted in Mark 4:12 and Luke 8:10 , but these 2 are repeats of the one in Matthew. The ones in Mt, Jn, and Rom, below, were either statements on the status of Israel's blindness or the inducing of partial blindness. In these 3 cases, we see the existence of Israel, as God's people, after Isa 6 was pronounced. Only after Acts of the Apostles 28:28, in Paul's 7 post-Acts books, do we see the total absence of Israel during this present all-Gentile 2000 year period
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Matthew 13:14-15 - After Christ pronounced Isa 6 on Israel, He ceased to talk to the multitudes and the Pharisees, except in parables. As far as I can see, Israel was set aside at that point, and continued to be set aside until Christ's prayer on the cross of, "Please forgive them....", gave them a fresh start in Acts
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John 12:37-41 - This later pronouncement by Christ, seems to only give the status of Israel at that point
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Romans 11:8 - This only gave a partial blindness of Israel, vs 25. This chapter is mainly about the Gentiles replacing SOME (vs 17) of the branches of the good olive tree, which is Israel, by being grafted into Israel. The church was still predominantly Israel. The blessings the Gentiles enjoyed during the entirety of Acts, ALL came from Israel. Romans was written 5-6 years before the end of Acts. Yet, in Acts 28, Paul was still going to the Jew first and, in vs 20, he said he was bound "FOR THE HOPE OF ISRAEL". Nothing about Gentiles. There is absolutely no indication that a Gentile church started in Acts. Acts is 100% Israel, from start to finish.
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Acts of the Apostles 28:25-27 - This was the last straw of the atrocity of stiff-necked Israel, as a nation, refusing to acknowledge Jesus Christ as their promised Messiah. This was a permanent pronouncement of Isa 6, as is proven later. It was what all of the previous warnings, by the pronouncement of Isa 6, eventually came down to.
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Acts of the Apostles 28:28 , we read that the Salvation of God is given to the Gentiles. It doesn’t say, but it’s quite obvious, when you look at everything, that, at that same time, the Salvation of God was taken from Israel. There is evidence that the “Salvation of God” is Jesus Christ, Luke 3:6 , Like 2:30 . According to Ephesians 2:11-12 , the Gentiles did not have Jesus Christ at all during Acts, but we do now, since Israel is off the map of God..
(3) The word, “departed”, in
Acts of the Apostles 28:25 , is used elsewhere as meaning divorce. From Thayer’s:
“used of divorce, as ἀπολύω τήν γυναῖκα to dismiss from the house, to repudiate: Matthew 1:19 ; Matthew 5:31; Matthew 19:3,7,9 ; Mark10:2,4,11 ; Like 16:18 ; (1 Esdr. 9:36); and improperly a wife deserting her husband is said τόν ἄνδρα ἀπολύειν in Mark 10:12
The word has other meanings, like dismiss, send away, or release. Considering everything else, I would guess that “divorce” is meant.
(4) There is absolute no mention of any present Jewish activity in Paul’s 7 epistles written after Acts. The word, “Abraham” appears 29 times in Paul’s Acts epistles and the phrase, “it is written” appears 32 times. Neither appear in his after-Acts epistles, not even once. Everything in Paul’s 7 after Acts books is directed to Gentiles. Unlike the Gentile’s in Acts, who had no inheritance, because the adoption belonged to Israel, the Gentiles had an inheritance after Acts Eph 1:11,14 , Col 1:12 . If the Jews want the “Salvation of God” today, they have to essentially become Gentiles and believe in the death, burial, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. They have absolutely no national privileges today, as they had from Gen 12 through Acts and will have again in about 55 years.
(5) It seems that the book of Hosea prophesied Israel’s present situation. I won’t go deeply into this except to say that it’s evident that Israel has become Lo-ammi, “Not My People”, as in Hosea 1:9 . However, they will become “Ammi”, “My People”, again, after two days, Hosea 6:2 . If 2 days means 2000 years, and I think it does, Israel will once again be a nation, in God’s eyes, in about 2063.
(6) Without a Temple and animal sacrifices, it is impossible for Israel to keep the law. It is therefore, impossible, for them to be God’s chosen people. The Gentiles that have been given the eyes of understanding to see the Hope of their calling ( Ephesians 1:17-18 ) are God’s chosen people today, Ephesians 1:4
(7) From what Christ laid on the Pharisees concerning their traditions in Mt 16 and Mk 7, I can’t imagine any Jew that uses the Talmud for doctrine, as being one of God’s chosen people.
Now for the cons, the scripture that disproves the idea that Israel was set aside in Acts 28:28.
I can't seem to find any.
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Acts 2:39 has absolutely nothing to do with anything during this present 2000 years. We live in a parenthesis. It’s as though time stopped for Israel. She will be back when this all-Gentile period ends. OT prophecy (which always involves Israel) will once again be fulfilled. God’s only plan for today is to call out those Gentiles (the new Church which is the actual Body of Christ, Eph 5:30, who will be resurrected at the “Appearing” (Not the rapture) and will immediately be translated to the Highest Heaven where Christ now sits at the right hand of God, Ephesians 1:20 , 2:6 . When we get there, Christ will appear (manifest Himself) there with us, Colossians 3:4
When he said what he did in Acts 2:39 , Peter knew nothing about Israel being set aside, later in Acts, and nothing about ANYTHING Paul wrote after Acts, since it was all HID IN GOD in the form of a Mystery (secret) since the world began, Ephesians 3:9 , Colossians 1:26 , until it was revealed to Paul by Christ ( Ephesians 3:3 ) and Paul revealed it to the world in his 7 post-Acts epistles. So. nothing Peter ever said, at any time, had anything at all to do with Israel's being set aside at the end of Acts.
I believe that the Church which is His Body will be resurrected in about 2063, when the 2 days of Hosea 6:2 are finished. It seems logical to me that the next step will be the restoration of ALL things by Elijah. One thing I strongly believe he will restore is reverting the time back to the 1st Century, probably somewhere between Acts 2 and Acts 9. This time, though, Israel will repent and accept Christ. This will solve several scriptural problems. The main one being:
That
everyone in Acts and the Gospels believed that Christ would return immediately (like in their lifetimes) and set up their earthly Kingdom. There are 36 places in the NT where we find Christ, Paul, James, and the 12 saying such things as, “
Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come.”, “There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death”, “This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled”, “I come quickly”, “The time is short”, and “We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed”.
As things stand now, with 1900+ years having passed since these things were said, everyone that said then is a liar. By starting things over after Acts 2, where Israel will accept Christ, all 36 become TRUE statements. I think it will have to start before Acts 9, because Paul will already be in the Highest Heaven, as part of Christ’s Body.
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Your quote of Ezekiel 47:22 has only to do with the distribution of the land, probably to prevent the Gentiles that lived among them from being a burden. I know of no other “inheritance” the Gentiles received from God in the OT. The Gentiles were filthy dogs and 2nd class citizens to Israel from Gen 12 to Acts 10. Even after the Gentiles in Acts became part of Israel, as they were grafted into Israel, they still didn’t have the Adoption, Rom 9:4. During those times, even a natural born child had to go through a legal “adoption” in order to become a “Son” and have an inheritance. In essence, Gentiles had no inheritance before Ac 28:28 and Israel has no national inheritance today.
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The thing is that the only scripture today, that is TO is and ABOUT us and tells us what our future will be, are Paul’s after-Acts books: Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. EVERYTHING in those books, that applies to us Gentiles today was in a Mystery, a secret, hid in God since the world began. Nothing in those 7 books was known by any human, until it was reavealed to Paul, after Acts, and then written in those 7 books. Therefore, nothing that applies to us today, except for Jesus Christ, can be found in any of the other 59 all-Israel books. From certain passages, like Paul’s prayer at the end of Eph 1, it seems like the only people that will be in Heaven are those that SEE, believe, and claim the Hope of this Calling, found only in Paul’s 7 after-Acts epistles. In order to See the true Hope, all other Hopes, belonging to Israel, things like the rapture, the New Jerusalem, and the Kingdom of Heaven, must be given up. You’ll never get them anyway, since they were NEVER given to Gentiles, like you, that have no association with Israel, at the present time
This separation from all things Israel is what 2 Timothy 2:15 , right division, is all about, to Correctly Cut and eliminate all things that were given to Israel, except Christ, from your doctrine. I think the reason is that everything given to Israel conflicts with the things given to us. Nothing given to Israel in those 59 books was ever given to us Gentiles and nothing given us Gentiles in those 7 after-Acts books was ever given to Israel. All you have to do is make one straight cut between Acts and Ephesians. EVERYTHING in the 7 books on the Ephesians side of the cut is TO you and ABOUT you. NOTHING in the 59 all-Israel books on the Acts side of the Cut is TO you or ABOUT you. If you were to do this and practice this, you would be approved unto God and would have no need to feel ashamed (see 2 Timothy 2:15 ). It's not easy to do. It took me 10 years to eliminate every shred of Israel from my doctrine. Those 59 Jewish are all invaluable FOR your learning, but worthless as far as knowing anything about your future.
If you want to go to the Highest Heaven, where Christ sits at he right hand of God, instead of spending eternity on the earth, with the nation Israel, you must:
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-- STUDY Paul's 7 after-Acts books and apply EVERYTHING in them to YOU, your doctrine, and your future.
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READ the other 59 books for knowledge, information, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, but don't apply ANYTHING in them (except Christ) TO you or try to answer ANY question concerning your future.
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OBEY 2Tim 2:15 to the max, as far as rightly dividing what WAS given to the Jew, from Gen 12 thru Acts 28 (63AD), from what IS given to the Gentile, today.