Meaning: "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church"

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Choosing to provoke someone is called goading.

Forgive me...

 

[DawnStar]

Choosing to provoke someone is called goading.

Forgive me...

Yes it is and I do forgive you for doing that here.

Dogs are awesome!

 

[Goatee]

Yes it is and I do forgive you for doing that here.

Dogs are awesome!

Seems like you are the one goading my friend

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Seems like you are the one goading my friend

Okay
I would say hitting back.

Where do you see that I started this tit for tat? I've been wrong before. Can you give me the post number please?

 

[Goatee]

Okay
I would say hitting back.

Where do you see that I started this tit for tat? I've been wrong before. Can you give me the post number please?

Me?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Many letters, like Philemon and 2 John, were originally personal correspondence. They were not created for any worship service.

No, but they were included in it... mainly because when Christians worshiped on the steps of the Temple the letters would be read aloud to them at predetermined times.

All of the Epistles were copied to every Church for the repeating of them through the year. It's cyclical.

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Me?

Did it not start with Jason0047 making comments that he didn't like the way I close my posts?

Forgive me...

 

[Goatee]

Did it not start with Jason0047 making comments that he didn't like the way I close my posts?

Forgive me...

Sorry, but I was backing up your quote not accusing you.

 

[pshun2404]

After one realizing they are a sinner accepts that Christ died for their sins and the God has raised Him from the dead and have put their trust in Him, can profess….

I Believe
Rom. 10:9, Jas 2:19, John 14:1

In one God,
Deut. 6:4, Is. 44:6


The Father
Is. 63:16, 2 Pet 1:17, Matt. 6:9

Almighty,
Gen. 17:1, Ps. 91:1, Rev. 4:8

Maker
Job 4:17, 35:10, Is. 17:7, 54:5

of heaven
Gen 1:1, 8

and earth
Ps. 104:5, Jer. 51:15

and of all things
Gen 1:31

visible and invisible.
Ps. 89:11-12, Amos 4:13, Rev. 3:5, Col. 1:16

The Son

And in one Lord
Eph. 4:5

Jesus Christ,
Acts 10:36, 11:17, Rom. 1:7, 5:1, 1 Cor 1:2, 6:11, 2 Cor. 1:2, 8:9
Gal. 1:3, 6:14, Eph. 1:2, 3:11, Phil. 1:2, 3:20, Col. 1:3, 2:6, 1 Thes. 1:1, 5:9,
2 Thes. 1:1, 2:14, 1 Tim. 6:3, 14, 2 Tim. 1:2, Philemon 1:3, 25, Heb. 13:20,
Jas. 1:1, 2:1, 1 Pet. 1:3, 3:15, 2 Pet. 1:8, 14, Jude 17, 21, Rev. 22:20-21

the only-begotton,
John 1:18

Son of God,
Matt 3:17, John 3:16

Begotten of His Father,
Heb. 1:5

Before all worlds,
John 1:1, Col. 1:17, 1 John 1:1

begotten,
John 1:1, Heb. 1:5

Not Made,
Mic. 5:2, John 1:18, 17:5

Being of one substance with the Father,
John 10:30, 14:9

By whom all things were made;
1 Cor. 8:6, Col 1:16

Who for us men
Matt 20:28, John 10:10

and for our salvation
Matt 1:21, Luke 19:10

came down from heaven
Rom. 10:6, Eph. 4:10

and was incarnate
Col. 2:9

by the Holy Spirit
Matt 1:18

of the Virgin Mary
Luke 1:34-35

and was made man;
John 1:14

and was crucified
Matt. 20:19, John 19:18, Rom. 5:6, 8, 2 Cor. 13:4

also for us
Rom. 5:8, 2 Cor. 5:15

under Pontius Pilate.
Matt. 27:2, 26, 1 Tim 6:13

He suffered
1 Pet. 2:21, Heb. 2:10

and was buried.
Mark 15:46, 1 Cor. 15:4

And the third day
Matt. 27:63, 28:1, 1 Cor. 15:4

He rose again
Mark 16:6, 2 Tim. 2:8

according to the Scriptures
Ps. 16:10, Luke 24:25-27, 1 Cor. 15:4

and ascended
Luke 24:51, Acts 1:9

Into heaven
Mark 16:19, Acts 1:11

and sits at the right hand of the Father.
Ps. 110:1, Matt. 26:64, Acts 7:56, Heb. 1:3

And He will come again
Jn. 14:3, 1 Thes. 4:16

with glory
Matt. 16:27, 24:30, 25:31, 26:64, Mark. 8:38, Col. 3:4

to judge
Matt. 25:31-46, Acts 17:31

both the living and the dead,
Acts 10:42, 1 Pet. 4:5

whose kingdom
John 18:36, 2 Tim. 4:1, 18

will have no end.
Luke 1:33, Rev. 11:15, Ps. 145:13


The Holy Spirit

And I believe in the Holy Spirit,
Matt. 28:19, Acts 13:2

The Lord
2 Cor. 3:17

And giver of life,
John 6:63, Rom. 7:6, 8:2, 2 Cor. 3:6

who proceeds from the father
John 14:16-17

and the Son,
John 15:26, Rom. 8:9, Gal. 4:6

Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped
Luke 4:8, John 4:24

and glorified
John 4:24, 1 Tim. 1:17

Who spoke by the prophets.
1 Pet. 1:10-11, 2 Pet 1:21

And I believe in one
1 Cor. 10:16-17, 12:12-13

Holy
Eph. 3:16-17, 5:27, 1 Pet. 2:9

Catholic
1 Cor. 1:2

and Apostolic
Eph. 2:20, Rev. 21:14

Church,
Acts 20:28, Eph. 1:22-23, Col. 1:24, Heb. 12:23, 1 Pet. 2:9

I acknowledge one Baptism
John 3:5, Rom. 6:3, Eph. 4:5

For the remission of sins,
Acts 2:38, 1 Pet. 3:21, Tit. 3:5

And I look for the resurrection of the dead
1 Thes. 4:16, 1 Cor. 15:12-13, 16, 52

And the life of the world to come.
1 Cor 15:54-57, Rev. 22:5

Amen.
Ps. 41:13, 2 Cor. 1:20

 

[redleghunter]

Rome left. The Church remains.

Forgive me...

Thank you for your honesty. Of course you know well Rome says otherwise. Yet if you walk into a Roman Catholic church they will not normally refuse you communion. However, the Orthodox churches will refuse a Roman Catholic.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Thank you for your honesty. Of course you know well Rome says otherwise. Yet if you walk into a Roman Catholic church they will not normally refuse you communion. However, the Orthodox churches will refuse a Roman Catholic.

True enough. Are you asking why?
Rome is "at the very best" in a state of repentance.
You cannot be the head of the Church from that position.
The thing left in tact of the Apostolic Churches are those that did not follow her.

The Church of Antioch still exists today. The oldest Church with no interruption of her history. She is Orthodox.

Forgive me...

 

[redleghunter]

Looks to me like you started this thread just looking for an argument. But I guess you feel that is OK since you say forgive me at the end of every post right?

Now of course in Matthew 18 we are told:

21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”

22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.

Now of course Jesus was using such a high figure to point out how we should be forgiving as He is forgiving. So I won't count the posts from our good friend @OrthodoxyUSA and tell him to stop posting at 490.

 

[redleghunter]

Did Christ leave you a Church or a book?

Forgive me...

Frankly both if you mean Sacred Scriptures. The very Sacred Scriptures the apostles taught from, reproved and rebuked.

 

[Apex]

No, but they were included in it... mainly because when Christians worshiped on the steps of the Temple the letters would be read aloud to them at predetermined times.

All of the Epistles were copied to every Church for the repeating of them through the year. It's cyclical.

Forgive me...

They were included mostly because they were preserved better than others letters. Sadly, not all letters that were penned by the Apostles, read aloud, and even copied were preserved well enough to see their inclusion in the early church canonical lists. We know that Paul wrote more than two letters to the Corinthians, for example. But if they had been preserved better, your religious institution would be calling them Scripture too.

Don't forget to answer my other question here.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

They were included mostly because they were preserved better than others letters. Sadly, not all letters that were penned by the Apostles, read aloud, and even copied were preserved well enough to see their inclusion in the early church canonical lists. We know that Paul wrote more than two letters to the Corinthians, for example. But if they had been preserved better, your religious institution would be calling them Scripture too.

Don't forget to answer my other question here.

Very true!

Forgive me...

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Then why do you capitalize these words in your English translation? Do you believe the phrase "holy catholic and apostolic church" is a proper noun?

Proper as in a name, no. The Church has no name, neither do her services. They are described by terms that often become a proper noun. Rome took it upon herself to make Catholic a proper noun. We would be just as happy to have it in Church Slavonic or Greek.

Forgive me...

 

[redleghunter]

At what point did Christianity become dependent on the bible instead of prayer and grace dispensed through the sacraments?

Modern Christians are now worshiping their bible in lieu of attending services.

Forgive me...

Well from the beginning of the Church even the church fathers were Bible thumpers. I'm looking at Against Heresies by St Irenaeus right now. A version with embedded notes which show which Scriptures he is referring to to make his argument. Here's a sample:

CHURCH FATHERS: Against Heresies, V.20 (St. Irenaeus)

Seems they held Scriptures to a very high standard as even the good Irenaeus said thus:

We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the Gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith. (Against Heresies Book III. Chapter I.)

 

[redleghunter]

Exactly. The creed is not about the 'Roman' church.

Recommend you go to an Eastern Orthodox church next Sunday quote what you did above and see if they allow you to take communion with them. They have a different understanding of the "One True Church."

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

The Church of Antioch still exists today. The oldest Church with no interruption of her history. She is Orthodox.

The oldest living cells without division are also the sickest (biologically speaking).

Forgive me...

Don't worry about it. I can hardly smell it from here.

 

[anna ~ grace]

Split? How come?

Over a growing push for liberalism, a re-working of Church laws regarding marriage and divorce, and eccumenism coming from Rome. Traditional priests and orders are facing punishment, in some cases.