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Meaning: "One Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church"

Discussion in 'General Theology' started by OrthodoxyUSA, Aug 3, 2017.

Is the meaning static as defined by those who wrote it or are we free to reinterpret it as we see f

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  1. GirdYourLoins

    GirdYourLoins Well-Known Member

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    It correct that you believe it, but I do not agree that your belief is correct.

    And you failed to respond to my comment that what you quoted is the Nicene-Constantinopolitan creed which is a change to the Nicene Creed so how can it be static? Its already a change to the original.
     
  2. DawnStar

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    That would be an interesting thread. You should start one.

    Dogs are awesome!:oldthumbsup:
     
  3. OrthodoxyUSA

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    That is Protestant teaching all right.

    Forgive me...
     
  4. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Yeah... and The Holy Spirit leads you... but not them.

    BTW ~ You lied to get in here.

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  5. JESUS=G.O.A.T

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    Just cause the Holy Spirit leads you doesn't give you authority over the word. Those who made the word as led by the Holy Spirit>those that simply put it together. The author of something and initial teacher of something >an editor. The apostles and their doctrine> anything we try to make
     
  6. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Rome left. The Church remains.

    Forgive me...
     
  7. Friend-of-Jesus

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    Jesus's teaching, to be correct.

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  8. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Paul of Samosata found himself and his followers outside The Church.
    Arius and his followers found themselves outside The Church.
    Nestorius and his followers found themselves outside The Church.

    Why? Because the chose to teach differently than The Church... and they were using scripture to do so.

    Even scripture shows us heretics and that they were outside The Church...

    Titus 3:9-11 (KJV) But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain. A man that is an heretic, after the first and second admonition, reject, knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

    2 Peter 2:1-3 (KJV) But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that brought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingerth not, and their damnation slumberth not.

    1 Timothy 6:3-5 (KJV) If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; he is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 5perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself.

    3 John 9-11 (KJV) I wrote unto the church: but Diotrephes, who loveth to have the pre-eminence among them, receiveth us not. Wherefore if I come, I will remember his deeds which he doeth, prating against us with malicious words: and not content therewith, neither doeth he himself receive the brethren, and forbiddeth them that would, and casteth them out of the church. Beloved, follow not that which is evil, but that which is good. He that doeth good is of God: but he that doeth evil hath not seen God.

    So much for not being called to judge.

    Forgive me...
     
  9. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Show me where Christ said the Church was not visible.

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  10. JESUS=G.O.A.T

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    Well the NT indicates that the body is the church but also calls locations of worship where the body of Christ father for fellowship the church so it goes both ways tbh
     
  11. DawnStar

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    Interesting. I have seen these same verses applied time and time again from one Christian sect or another accusing other Christian sects of heresy. There truly is nothing new under the sun.

    Dogs are awesome!:oldthumbsup:
     
  12. OrthodoxyUSA

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    How about the seven Churches in Revelation (everybody's favorite).

    They thought they were in The Church as well.

    Shedding them did not diminish The Church.

    and yes... Dogs are awesome!

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  13. Friend-of-Jesus

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    [​IMG]

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  14. OrthodoxyUSA

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    Yeah... welcome to my ignore list.
     
  15. DawnStar

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    The difference being it was Jesus doing the judging there and not a mere man with a bone to pick about Protestants.

    Dogs are awesome!:oldthumbsup:
     
  16. OrthodoxyUSA

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    And I trust HIS judgement. And the Apostles he sent forth and the communities they set up.

    These are "their" teachings, not mine. The Churches teachings, of which HE is the head.

    And guess what? They reject the entirety of western scholastic Christendom. Why? Because it's on the wrong path.

    You may believe, as others do, that the gates of hell prevailed over all the ancient Churches and that none of it survives today... but you would be greatly mistaken. I had been raised this way.

    We need to drop everything we thought we know. It's all tainted with ancient Roman paganism and Judaism.

    You've been led away from the sacraments. Who would do that to you?
    You've been led away from the actual Church. (It just seems too Catholic.) Who would do that to you?

    Is it me? Am I leading you away?

    Mat 5:15

    Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
    Mar 4:21

    And he said unto them, Is a candle brought to be put under a bushel, or under a bed? and not to be set on a candlestick?
    Luk 11:33

    No man, when he hath lighted a candle, putteth it in a secret place, neither under a bushel, but on a candlestick, that they which come in may see the light.

    I'm harsh. I know that. It's my nature to be a hawk and not a dove. I find many Saints who have shared the same. (I'm a two tour Sergeant of Marines.)

    But you are missing out on the greatest thing you will ever have participated in, in your life!

    The "divine worship" as set down by St. James and the Apostles. Preserved and delivered to you from the hands of the Church at Antioch. (ACTS)

    Forgive me...
     
  17. DawnStar

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    I am not impressed. My dad is a five tour retired Sergeant and has none of your nature. Neither do any of the retired military members we live around and gather with. You just appear to be an angry man who despises anything or anyone not in agreement with you. Blame your attitude on the military if you want but I can see right through that excuse. By the way why do you not post in the Eastern Orthodox forum. Are you a pariah there? Most of those who claim to be Eastern Orthodox are not anywhere near as inclined to the nasty disposition you have.

    Dogs are awesome!:oldthumbsup:
     
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  18. OrthodoxyUSA

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    That mean old OUSA, biting back when bitten.

    Forgive me...
     
  19. Goatee

    Goatee Jesus, please forgive me, a sinner.

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    Split? How come?
     
  20. DawnStar

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    I understand now why you feel you need to put the same last sentence in every post.

    Dogs are awesome!:oldthumbsup:
     
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