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McConnell Speaks Out Against Trump

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by mark46, Feb 13, 2021.

  1. RocksInMyHead

    RocksInMyHead God is innocent; Noah built on a floodplain!

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    I was objecting to your assertion that he couldn't vote to convict. Of course he could have. Impeachment is a political process, true, but that doesn't mean that votes have to follow party lines. See Nixon's near-impeachment. The thing that convinced him to resign was that enough of his party's senators were willing to vote for conviction

    Would there have been consequences? Perhaps - a large percentage of the Republican party has embraced Trump. However, a big part of what gives the Trumpian wing power is the fact that Republican leadership is happy to roll over on command. It's turned into a vicious cycle, and the only people with the power to do anything about it are McConnell and his colleagues, by NOT bowing to the pressure. They might lose some voters, but they'd also get some back - and I think that they fail to recognize that.
     
  2. Guinan

    Guinan Live long and prosper.

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    It's obvious he was more concerned with salvaging his political career than he was about following his own conscience by convicting Trump. He chose his political career over his moral convictions. But that is something the majority of Republican politicians have been doing for five years because they all sold out to Trump in order to advance their own political career and gain political influence through him. It is sad that they destroyed their reputation and abandoned their moral convictions for political power.
     
  3. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    fair enough

    However, McConnell would likely have been forced OUT of leadership had he voted top convict.

    As a side issue, McCarthy certainly knew that he would be pushed out of leadership if he voted for impeachment and also if he didn't recant his criticism of trump's role in the "January 6th Insurrection" (the name our grandchildren will likely see in their history books).
     
  4. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    And your probably think that all Democrats supported conviction, and that all Democrats support a $1.9T stimulus package.
     
  5. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

    CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN I'm praying for my dad to get well.

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    I was completely Conservative along time ago.There behavior made me run. And I've lost all y respect. And now they seem to be worshipping Trump. So I won't deal with them anymore. But let's not pretend we actually care about strangers. Because we really don't
     
  6. Kentonio

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    Literally nothing he said was untrue, so why exactly are you, as a Democrat, attacking him for saying it? Also if I might ask, why are you seemingly defending people like McConnell and McCarthy in this thread?
     
  7. Albion

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    I dunno. Ms. Cheney's job looked to be in serious jeopardy after her shocking performance, but when it came to a vote, she easily withstood the attempt to kick her out of her position as the #3 person in the House Republican leadership.
     
  8. Guinan

    Guinan Live long and prosper.

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    As a conservative myself, I'm seriously considering leaving the Republican party and registering as an Independent. I haven't decided if I will leave the party or not, but I'll never support Trump or support any Republican politicians who support him. I voted for Joe Biden and he's the first Democrat I've ever voted for. I'll vote Democratic again in 2024 if Trump or one of his loyal sycophants is the Republican presidential nominee. And to be honest, I don't respect the conservatives who support Trump either.
     
  9. mark46

    mark46 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    McCarthy needed to make Cheney's vote a secret ballot. He avoided individuals having to openly support her leadership.

    McConnell and McCarthy are trying to keep as much power as they can, before the future fights.
     
  10. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Trump returns the favor at RNC meeting at Mar a Lago.

    Former president Donald Trump called Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell a “dumb son of a [gun]” as he used a Saturday night speech to Republicans to blame him for not helping overturn the 2020 election and reiterated false assertions that he won the November contest.

    Trump, speaking to a Republican National Committee gathering at his Mar-a-Lago Club in Palm Beach, Fla., excoriated a number of Republicans even as he publicly called for party unity — focusing on those who voted to convict him in impeachment proceedings. But he saved his sharpest vitriol for the Kentucky Republican.

    “I hired his wife. Did he ever say thank you?” Trump said. He then mocked Chao for resigning in response to the Jan. 6 events and Trump’s behavior that day.

    “She suffered so greatly,” he said, his voice dripping with sarcasm. He later called McConnell a “stone cold loser.”

    The speech was light on his actual presidency, which some aides had wanted him to address, and delivered more of a familiar litany of grievances that seemed to animate the crowd. Many of his claims were false or misleading.

    He spoke for about an hour, according to an attendee, and bragged that he had tossed his prepared and “boring” speech, the attendee said. “[Manure],” he said about the election, before polling the room of Republican donors on whether they believed he won.
     
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  11. Paulos23

    Paulos23 Never tell me the odds!

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    I read a story about that this morning. It really feels like Trump is trying to entrench his hold on his followers even if he loses some in the process.

    At this point, if I was a GOP backer, I would be having second, third, and forth thoughts about supporting Trump.
     
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  12. GoldenBoy89

    GoldenBoy89 We're Still Here

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    I can’t stand Trump but man do I love hearing him tear McConnell a new one.
     
  13. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Agreed -- anyone else would merit sympathy.
     
  14. essentialsaltes

    essentialsaltes Stranger in a Strange Land

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    Trump hits McConnell again, saying GOP needs new leadership

    Former President Trump on Thursday renewed his feud with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) by calling for Senate Republicans to find a new leader ahead of the midterm elections, suggesting doing so would boost their chances of taking back the upper chamber next year.

    Asked by Fox Business’s Maria Bartiromo how Republicans will fare in the 2022 elections, Trump said he expects GOP candidates to do very well but said the party needs new leadership in the Senate.
     
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