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McConnell: No Senate Republicans will back Biden on $4T (msn.com)

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by ArmenianJohn, May 3, 2021.

  1. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    Well, that tooth ain't getting any better.

    Would you prefer to call it an infrastructure/jobs/families bill?
     
  2. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    Nobody has proposed 4 Trillion in boondoggles. Please provide your source for that, if you have one (but I'm sure you don't).
     
  3. ArmenianJohn

    ArmenianJohn Politically Liberal Christian Fundamentalist

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    Why shouldn't I believe "this" and why should I believe that the bill will be laden with "pork"? What is "pork" anyway? I know what you think it means, but I don't see how funding things is "pork" except when it's done out of proportion to favor certain places over others, which is S.O.P. for Republicans but not for Democrats.

    You don't provide anything other than your own subjective and biased opinion so why would I change to agree with you?
     
  4. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Sure it will. There are more than one dentist.
    Sure, if we’d drop the jobs/families part.
     
  5. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I couldn’t imagine what I could say that would cause you to change your mind.
     
  6. Oneiric1975

    Oneiric1975 Well-Known Member

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    Is there a problem with investing in jobs and families in the US?
     
  7. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Not at all. I do it every day.
     
  8. Oneiric1975

    Oneiric1975 Well-Known Member

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    Then why would you feel it should be pulled out of the "Infrastructure" funding?
     
  9. morningstar2651

    morningstar2651 Senior Veteran

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    A compromise is an agreement or a settlement of a dispute that is reached by each side making concessions. The purpose of making compromises in Congress is to get enough votes for a bill to pass.
    • There is no need to compromise if a bill will pass without compromises.
     
  10. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Because it’s not infrastructure.
     
  11. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    So much for that unity he talked about. It was probably just another gaffe.
     
  12. Oneiric1975

    Oneiric1975 Well-Known Member

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    But the other poster suggested changing the name to Infrastructure/Families/Jobs and you suggested getting rid of the families and jobs stuff.
     
  13. morningstar2651

    morningstar2651 Senior Veteran

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    Yes, if you consider what the return on investment is. I'll try to avoid going into too much depth about finance and simplify this explanation:

    Some of the things you spend money on will earn you value in the future, and some things will not earn you more value in the future (or not enough to justify the expense). For example, making community college tuition-free for all Americans would cause a measurable increase in GDP, increase the pace of technological innovation, and generally improve the quality of life for all Americans (even those that don't take advantage of extra free education).

    Some things you spend money on, such as a national stockpile of ventilators or funding firefighters in your town won't immediately or consistently return value to you, but will be worth it if things go wrong.

    Tax cuts generally only help the wealthy - the people that own land and businesses. Those benefits don't "trickle-down".

    We can't pay our debts by spending less. The only solution to the debts added by deficit spending is to increase taxes.

    Oddly enough, increasing taxes also reduces deficit spending.
     
  14. morningstar2651

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    Unity doesn't mean that every member of congress is in agreement about everything. That's not how democracy works.

    Unity and Compromise mean allowing votes on the bills the president doesn't like and being willing to make changes and compromises on the things that are unlikely to have enough votes to pass.

    This was a problem when Mitch McConnell was the majority leader. The senate majority leader should not have unilateral power to prevent bills from being discussed or voted on, but he did.
     
  15. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Yes.
     
  16. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Like I said. Deficits are good if you agree with the use of the money.
     
  17. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Unity does mean trying to unify. We aren’t seeing that.
     
  18. morningstar2651

    morningstar2651 Senior Veteran

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    Can you describe what you want to see?
     
  19. Hammster

    Hammster Can you describe the ruckus? Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    Biden keeping his word. ^_^.

    Just kidding. We all know that won’t happen.
     
  20. Oneiric1975

    Oneiric1975 Well-Known Member

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    So are you saying that you would support programs to provide money for infrastructure, families and jobs? Or just infrastructure?
     
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