May 14, 1948 --- May 14, 2018 Jerusalem --- Israel

[joshua 1 9]

On May 14, 1948 Israel was declared a nation. Exactly 70 years later Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

 

[BABerean2]

On May 14, 1948 Israel was declared a nation.

The Two Peoples of God doctrine is one of the greatest deceptions in the history of the Church.
It has also been one of the greatest obstacles in the way of taking the New Covenant Gospel to modern Jews.

The "suffering servant" of Isaiah chapter 53, and the New Covenant promised to Israel and Judah in Jeremiah 31:31-34, and the timeline of Daniel chapter 9, reveal that the baby born in a manger is the Messiah promised in the Hebrew scriptures.
Why have I never seen this three-part Gospel message presented on Christian television?

Anyone who claims Christ did not fulfill the Old Testament promises is promoting some form of Dual Covenant Theology. (See Luke 24:25-27, and 1 John 2:22-23.)

Pastor Chuck Baldwin reveals the painful truth below.

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[oldrunner]

Nice! Israel is the time piece of God, and where everything will happen.

1967 they re-take Jerusalem too. The Lords return is getting close!

Anyone read this book? I'm thinking on getting it. From what I gather, the 6000 year from creation is coming up in about 20 years or so. That would be 70 tears form when Israel gained possession of Jerusalem.
https://www.amazon.com/Time-End-Tim...d=1534515545&sr=8-1&keywords=tim+warner+books

 

[BABerean2]

Nice! Israel is the time piece of God, and where everything will happen.

1967 they re-take Jerusalem too. The Lords return is getting close!

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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[oldrunner]

1Jn 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
1Jn 2:23 Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

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So?

 

[shilohsfoal]

On May 14, 1948 Israel was declared a nation. Exactly 70 years later Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

So how many years till Jesus takes it away from the Israeli government?

 

[joshua 1 9]

So how many years till Jesus takes it away from the Israeli government?

God Kingdom here on Earth will be permanent and perpetual. Even when there is a new Heaven and a new Earth. His Kingdom will go on forever.

He does not take the Kingdom away from Israel. The prophecy is fulfilled in and through Israel.

 

[joshua 1 9]

From what I gather, the 6000 year from creation is coming up in about 20 years or so.

Could be anywhere from 2027 to 2033. 2,000 years from the beginning of the Church when Peter was preaching on the day of Pentacost in the Upper room and the Holy Spirit was poured out. The date that works out best for me is 2029.

They keep the records of who was the High Priest of the Temple. According to those records for when John the Baptists father was high priest we know that Jesus would have been born in the year 6 BC. He would have been born on March 20 in the year 6BC.

Jonathan Cahn has more information about this subject then anyone else.

 

[shilohsfoal]

God Kingdom here on Earth will be permanent and perpetual. Even when there is a new Heaven and a new Earth. His Kingdom will go on forever.

He does not take the Kingdom away from Israel. The prophecy is fulfilled in and through Israel.

So you believe the Israeli government is the chosen government of God and shall reign forever?

 

[joshua 1 9]

So you believe the Israeli government is the chosen government of God and shall reign forever?

Sounds like a trick question to me. The current government will be replaced with a government that God institutes. The Bible says: "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ, and He shall reign for ever and ever!" Rev11:15

The Rabbi's have the Old Testament, they read and sturdy the Torah extensively. Go to youtube and you can listen to what the Rabbi's teach about all of this. Or you can do a google search. Different groups have different understandings but over time that all works out. Still this is fundamental to their basic beliefs of Judaism. (The word Jewish or Jew is a slang term)

"The Messianic Idea in Judaism (Judaism101)
Belief in the eventual coming of the mashiach is a basic and fundamental part of traditional Judaism. It is part of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith, the minimum requirements of Jewish belief. In the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, recited three times daily, we pray for all of the elements of the coming of the mashiach: in gathering of the exiles; restoration of the religious courts of justice; an end of wickedness, sin and heresy; reward to the righteous; rebuilding of Jerusalem; restoration of the line of King David; and restoration of Temple service." http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

"In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah is a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age and World to come.[1][2][5] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah" (Hebrew: מלך משיח‎, translit. melekh mashiach) or malka meshiḥa in Aramaic.[6]" wiki

Before May 14, 1948 this was a BIG controversy. There were "Jewish" people that did not think Israel should be a nation until the Mashiach (Messiah) came with His government. There was a lot of debate and discussion between various groups at the time. Once they became a nation all the discussion ended.

Today there are people that believe all of the people need to be gathered before Jesus returns. They believe God is still calling people to move to Israel and to become a part of the people that are there. They make a very clear distinction between who is a citizen of Israel and who is not.

It would take a whole book to explain all of this. This is a story that could be better told by someone like Jonathan Cahn that has studied all of the "Jewish" teaching that deals with this.

 

[BABerean2]

Sounds like a trick question to me. The current government will be replaced with a government that God institutes. The Bible says: "The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ, and He shall reign for ever and ever!" Rev11:15

The Rabbi's have the Old Testament, they read and sturdy the Torah extensively. Go to youtube and you can listen to what the Rabbi's teach about all of this. Or you can do a google search. Different groups have different understandings but over time that all works out. Still this is fundamental to their basic beliefs of Judaism. (The word Jewish or Jew is a slang term)

"The Messianic Idea in Judaism (Judaism101)
Belief in the eventual coming of the mashiach is a basic and fundamental part of traditional Judaism. It is part of Rambam's 13 Principles of Faith, the minimum requirements of Jewish belief. In the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, recited three times daily, we pray for all of the elements of the coming of the mashiach: in gathering of the exiles; restoration of the religious courts of justice; an end of wickedness, sin and heresy; reward to the righteous; rebuilding of Jerusalem; restoration of the line of King David; and restoration of Temple service." http://www.jewfaq.org/mashiach.htm

"In Jewish eschatology, the Messiah is a future Jewish king from the Davidic line, who is expected to be anointed with holy anointing oil and rule the Jewish people during the Messianic Age and World to come.[1][2][5] The Messiah is often referred to as "King Messiah" (Hebrew: מלך משיח‎, translit. melekh mashiach) or malka meshiḥa in Aramaic.[6]" wiki

Before May 14, 1948 this was a BIG controversy. There were "Jewish" people that did not think Israel should be a nation until the Mashiach (Messiah) came with His government. There was a lot of debate and discussion between various groups at the time. Once they became a nation all the discussion ended.

Today there are people that believe all of the people need to be gathered before Jesus returns. They believe God is still calling people to move to Israel and to become a part of the people that are there. They make a very clear distinction between who is a citizen of Israel and who is not.

It would take a whole book to explain all of this. This is a story that could be better told by someone like Jonathan Cahn that has studied all of the "Jewish" teaching that deals with this.

I am afraid that you are promoting some form of Dual Covenant Theology.

Modern Orthodox Judaism is based on the Babylonian Talmud, instead of the Bible.
It is the opinions of the rabbis who lived after 70 AD.
The Talmud says that Christ is the illegitimate son of Mary and a Roman soldier named Pantera.
This comes from a book written by a Jewish scholar. The title is "Jesus in the Talmud", by Dr. Peter Schafer.

In Romans chapter 11 Paul uses the Olive Tree as a symbol of the New Covenant Church made up of believing Israelites and believing Gentiles. The unbelieving Israelites were broken off of the tree, but they can be grafted back, through faith in Christ.
Paul provides no path to salvation outside of the Church in the passage.

Those who reject Christ are lost, no matter who their mother and father would be.

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[joshua 1 9]

I am afraid that you are promoting some form of Dual Covenant Theology.

Not at all. I am not talking about what Christians teach, I am talking about what the "Hebrew" Rabbi Teach. Is there a duality between what the Hebrew people believe and what Christians believe? Of course there is, they use the same book. If they are both reading the same books then they are going to walk away with a similar understanding of the words found in that book.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Those who reject Christ are lost, no matter who their mother and father would be.

That is true, there is no other way to God, there is no other way to be saved other then Christ. For Christians, Hebrews, Muslims there is no other way. The Church does not save you. Your understanding does not save you. In fact we are told NOT to trust in our own understanding but to trust in God. Prov 3 "Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; in all your ways submit to him, and he will make your paths straight." Christians - Hebrews - & Muslims all have to Trust in the Lord and lean not on their own understanding.

My personal opinion is that the day will come when we will be amazed at how many Jewish people and how many Muslims believe in the teachings of Jesus. Paul was concerned: "But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ." 2cor11:3 We see here that the serpent wants to beguile people so that they do not see just how simple the good news of Jesus really is. There is a lot of complexity but the Bible for the most part God's message is so simple a child can understand. Or at last the Bible can be understood by a fifth grader. We actually start our Sunday school classes when children are one year old and able to walk or march and sing. We start with the song of Joshua fought the battle of Jericho. Then when we are older we can study Jericho and see that the wall really did come tumbling down and is still on the ground there today as a witness that there really was a battle of Jericho.

 

[shilohsfoal]

Not at all. I am not talking about what Christians teach, I am talking about what the "Hebrew" Rabbi Teach. Is there a duality between what the Hebrew people believe and what Christians believe? Of course there is, they use the same book. If they are both reading the same books then they are going to walk away with a similar understanding of the words found in that book.

Now,don't those who teach Judaism claim the messiah hasn't come yet?

 

[BABerean2]

We actually start our Sunday school classes when children are one year old and able to walk or march and sing.

How much time do you spend studying the New Covenant?

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[LittleLambofJesus]

On May 14, 1948 Israel was declared a nation. Exactly 70 years later Trump declared Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

If you count from 0ad to 70ad, that is also 70yrs........

Genesis 7:24
And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.

Nahum 1:8 [Daniel 9:26]
But with an overflowing flood
He will make an utter end of its place,
And darkness will pursue His enemies.

Revelation 9:5
And was given to them that not they should be killing them,
but that they should be being tormented five months
And the torment of them as torment of a scorpion whenever it should be striking a man;


http://www.bible.ca/pre-destruction70AD-george-holford-1805AD.htm

...............This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A.D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months, the Romans having invested the City on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.

Before their final demolition, however, Titus took a survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ; for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these

 

[joshua 1 9]

How much time do you spend studying the New Covenant?

maybe four or five hours a day for 20 years would be a conservative guess. I read the entire Bible in three months once because I was reading 7 or 8 hours a day and maybe up to 12 hours of reading or study on some days. I understand how infinite God is and how there is no limit to what we can learn. Even if you pick one word like: "beginning" there is no limit to what we can learn and understand about the meaning of that one word. Of course everything is known from the beginning so all the knowledge of the Bible is contained in that one word. (In the Hebrew language with the Hebrew letters) In the Hebrew letters we see that the messiah is the first fruit, that the Son was offered up as a grain offering, so the grain must fall to the ground and die. So in the Hebrew letters of the word beginning we see that the Son created all things on Earth as in Heaven in truth and perfection. We see the duel nature of Heaven and Earth and how the Earth is to be a reflection of Heaven. Thy Kingdom come thy will be done on Earth as it is in Heaven. So the first sentence in the Bible tells us the meaning of the first word in the Bible. That we would know if we understood the Hebrew language. So if we were to spend our whole life to understand the meaning of the word beginning at the end of our life we would only be beginning to understand. God is a singularity and there is a duel nature between Heaven and Earth. Then the book of Genesis goes on to discuss other duel narures like light and darkness, with God there is only light. Day and night, the water and dry land. Good and Evil male and female and so on. The word beginning begins with the second letter B or Bet and this represents duel nature. So really we can spend our whole life to study the second letter B. We know that Jesus is the Alpha and the Omega. AS a singularity He comes before the duel nature we find in the letter B. Of course computers work off of off and on. AS well as DNA is off or on. Satan tries to break down this duel nature because he wants to be like God or a singularity. That is why atheists like Dawkins comes up with a selfish gene concept because they do not understand the synergy of the duel nature of life here on the Earth.

Time is relative though. I had a conversation with Paul once and that conversation lasted for around three seconds. 1.5 seconds talking about a passage in the Psalms and 1.5 seconds talking about the message he was teaching from that passage. This had to do with the goodness of God and our righteousness. I am not going to tell the rest of that story because he wanted to know why I was not doing more to follow his teaching to be righteous before God.

So the first chapter talks about the beginning: genesis, then the second chapter talks about the generations of man and the generations of the earth. Then the third chapter talks about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Serpent. There are 31 verses in the first chapter - 31,000 verses in the Bible. They say at Harvard University Library are over 200,000 books that talk about the Science we find in the first 31 verses in the Bible. Even if you study all of the books in the library we are still only beginning to understand because God is infinite and so He has no beginning or end.

There is some teaching on youtube associated with 2028 and he talks about how the new covenant is explained in the first chapter of the Bible in the days of the first week. The meaning for us in regards to each of those days.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Now,don't those who teach Judaism claim the messiah hasn't come yet?

Yes the second or what some people call the third coming will be the first coming for them. This will be right before the Battle of Armageddon when Jerusalem is about to be destroyed. They believe He will be standing on the Mount of Olives and there will be an earthquake. That is where Jesus was taken up to Heaven in the book of Acts and the angels said that HE will return to that same spot. So both Judaism and Christianity teach the same because they have the same Bible.

 

[BABerean2]

So both Judaism and Christianity teach the same because they have the same Bible.

Absolutely not.

Modern Orthodox Judaism is based on the Babylonian Talmud, instead of the Bible.

Jacob Prasch is from a Jewish heritage. He describes the Talmud as a "hedge" around the Hebrew scriptures.

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[Douggg]

Modern Orthodox Judaism is based on the Babylonian Talmud, instead of the Bible.

Not instead of, but addition to. Also the mishneh torah... which is the RAMBAM put together.