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Featured Matthew 25:31-46, When Jesus Returns, The Eternal Kingdom Begins.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Truth7t7, Nov 29, 2017.

  1. Truth7t7

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    When we understand?

    When Jesus Christ returns with the holy angels, its the final judgment, lake of fire, eternal life, "Eternal Kingdom Time" :)

    There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom, with mortal humans present, eternity has started :)

    Will you disregard the very simple explanation of scripture as presented below?

    1.) Will you deny "Eternal Life" is seen in verse 46?

    2.) Will you deny those that obtained "Eternal Life", enter a kingdom in verse 34 thats "Eternal"?

    (Verses 31-32) Jesus returns with the holy angels, the nations are gathered before the throne, judgment takes place.

    (Verse 34) The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented for the righteous to enter.

    (Verse 41) The wicked are judged to the lake of fire.

    (Verse 46) The righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" seen in verse 34.

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:

    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    Jesus Christ Is Lord :)

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    Rev 20:4 I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, .... and they lived and reigned with Christ a THOUSAND years.

    FULL STOP.
     
  3. Truth7t7

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    You didnt answer the two questions?

    1.) Do you deny "Eternal Life" is seen in Matthew 25:46?

    2.) Do you deny those that obtain "Eternal Life" enter the "Eternal Kingdom" seen in Matthew 25:34?
     
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  5. JohnRabbit

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    you are correct in what you have proposed in your "1 and 2", however, there is a timeline you seem not to be mindful and what you have referenced is only the first resurrection!

    review joel 3:12!

    the judgment that is delivered at the Christ's second coming is for the nations!

    the Great White throne judgment comes after the thousand years is finished!
     
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    How many threads of insisting the 1000 years is not true according to your views ?,
    You have been told all scriptures about this topic numerous numerous times by numerous numerous people ,,, your continual insistence that you are right and Gods Word is wrong will only cause more people to see that you are driven to force your views over what Gods Word says plainly and truthfully
     
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    Matthew 25:31-46 is the "Final Judgment" a parallel teaching of Revelation 20:11-15.

    In verse 41 the wicked are judged eternally to the lake of fire.

    verse 46 the righteous obtain eternal life, and enter the eternal kingdom in verse 34

    There will be no future 1000 year kingdom on this earth, Jesus warned the believer against this teaching in Matthew 24:23-27
     
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    There is no 1000 year kingdom on this earth found in Revelation 20:1-6 :)

    angel, heaven, devil, satan, the souls, the dead, God, Christ,

    %100 spiritual realm of the Lord, no earthly kingdom, with mortal humans present :)
     
  9. God bless Joshua

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    Absolutely.
     
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    The "nations" and "the dead".

    2Ti 4:1  I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;


    Rev 11:15  And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 


    Rev 11:18  And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 

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    You have not responded to the "Two Question Below" do you deny these scriptural questions?

    "Please Answer Directly"

    When we understand?

    When Jesus Christ returns with the holy angels, its the final judgment, lake of fire, eternal life, "Eternal Kingdom Time"

    There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom, with mortal humans present, eternity has started

    Will you disregard the very simple explanation of scripture as presented below?

    "Two Questions"

    1.) Will you deny "Eternal Life" is seen in verse 46?

    2.) Will you deny those that obtained "Eternal Life", enter a kingdom in verse 34 thats "Eternal"?

    (Verses 31-32) Jesus returns with the holy angels, the nations are gathered before the throne, judgment takes place.

    (Verse 34) The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented for the righteous to enter.

    (Verse 41) The wicked are judged to the lake of fire.

    (Verse 46) The righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" seen in verse 34.

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
     
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    Hi to back your doctrinal view of the eternal kingdom on this verse alone is not proof of anything. Prophecy is a whole and if looking at this verse leads to a conclusion you have made a judgement perhaps without admitting all the evidence. A right a true interpretation will be harmonious with all other prophecy and not produce contradictions. In a similar thread I have taken a pro millennial point of view and have been asked to weigh in on this thread. I maintain that scripture teaches that at the 2nd coming is the onset of the kingdom age but not the beginning of the eternal state. I will bring up a few other prophetic themes and list them and hopefully be able to show that they integrate without conflict or making any private interpretation upon them. That is believing what is said will happen and waiting for it to happen.

    Lets start with what you are pointing out in verse 46 as your point of emphasis. This verse shows the righteous being promised eternal life and the rest everlasting punishment.

    When we look at Rev 20 the onset of the 1000 years we see a chronology established.
    1. Satan is bound for 1000 years.

    Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years;

    2. the nations which were deceived by Satan will not be deceived by him for a period of 1000 years then they will when Satan is released.

    and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished But after these things he must be released for a little while.

    3. The dead are raised and reign with Jesus for 1000 years. This includes specific references to include those who did not take the mark of the beast and those who were beheaded at this same time period.

    And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

    4. The rest of the dead are not judged for 1000 years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. Those who live already have eternal life as the 2nd death will have no power over them.

    This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection.Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

    5. Satan is released after 1000 years and we see he has deceived the nations as they surround Jerusalem and are destroyed by fire from heaven. He is then cast into the lake of fire where the false prophet and beast already are and there torment is forever.

    7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.

    AS you can see there is no contradiction with this view of having 1000 year kingdom and Mathew 25:46
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

    In Daniel 7 we see another view of this transition to the kingdom age.

    11 “I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.
    13 “I was watching in the night visions,
    And behold, One like the Son of Man,
    Coming with the clouds of heaven!
    He came to the Ancient of Days,
    And they brought Him near before Him.
    14 Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom,
    That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him.
    His dominion is an everlasting dominion,
    Which shall not pass away,
    And His kingdom the one
    Which shall not be destroyed.

    In this passage we see dominion given to one like the Son of Man coming in the clouds and all peoples and nations should serve him. The horn speaking the pompous words is destroyed and given to burning flame, the other beasts have their dominion taken away but their lives are prolonged for a season and a time. I maintain this is speaking about the horn (antichrist) being thrown into hell for the 1000 years. Satan has lost his dominion and is bound for a season that is 1000 years and released for this time and that is why his life is said to be prolonged. He inherits the 2nd death after he deceives the nations one more time.

    This in itself is a good case but there are so many more themes that need be examined to see if they integrate and this is really worthy of a series of books but I will take just a couple of other themes and show how they mix with the 2nd coming and the beginning of the millennial kingdom.

    Luke 1 Zacharias promises that Jesus would deliver Israel from all their enemies and that they would worship and serve Him all the days of their lives without fear in righteousness and holiness.

    7 Now his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Spirit, and prophesied, saying:
    68 “Blessed is the Lord God of Israel,
    For He has visited and redeemed His people,
    69 And has raised up a horn of salvation for us
    In the house of His servant David,
    70 As He spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets,
    Who have been since the world began,
    71 That we should be saved from our enemies
    And from the hand of all who hate us,
    72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers
    And to remember His holy covenant,
    73 The oath which He swore to our father Abraham:
    74 To grant us that we,
    Being delivered from the hand of our enemies,
    Might serve Him without fear,
    75 In holiness and righteousness before Him all the days of our life.

    I will show this exact deliverance is shown in zech 14

    Also is Luke 1 the angel Gabriel promises that Jesus will sit on the throne of David.

    Then the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. 31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS. 32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David. 33 And He will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of His kingdom there will be no end.”

    This promise is reminding us that Isaiah 9 long ago promised the same thing

    For unto us a Child is born,
    Unto us a Son is given;
    And the government will be upon His shoulder.
    And His name will be called
    Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
    7 Of the increase of His government and peace
    There will be no end,
    Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
    To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
    From that time forward, even forever.
    The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

    In Zechariah 14 we see the 2nd coming of Jesus and the establishment of the kingdom and the proof of continuity in the earth.

    At the 2nd coming the LORD delivers Israel from their enemies and is king over all the earth and Satan is bound and this kingdom will have no end. We see Israel being overrun when the LORD comes with His saints and there are topographical changes to the land such as the Mt of Olives is split in two and a valley formed a new river that flows year round appears.

    1 Behold, the day of the LORD is coming,
    And your spoil will be divided in your midst.
    2 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
    The city shall be taken,
    The houses rifled,
    And the women ravished.
    Half of the city shall go into captivity,
    But the remnant of the people shall not be cut off from the city.
    3 Then the LORD will go forth
    And fight against those nations,
    As He fights in the day of battle.
    4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
    Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
    And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
    From east to west,
    Making a very large valley;
    Thus the LORD my God will come,
    And all the saints with You.[fn]
    6 It shall come to pass in that day
    That there will be no light;
    The lights will diminish.
    7 It shall be one day
    Which is known to the LORD—
    Neither day nor night.
    But at evening time it shall happen
    That it will be light.
    8 And in that day it shall be
    That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
    Half of them toward the eastern sea
    And half of them toward the western sea;
    In both summer and winter it shall occur.
    9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.

    These changes have never happened and must happen of Zachariah is a false prophet. This deliverance of Israel is just what LUKE 1 Zacharias was predicting. This is what Rev says that the nations will come up against Israel and be destroyed with the brightness of Jesus coming. This is when Satan loses his dominion and Jesus takes the throne of David for 1000 years while Satan is bound and the false prophet and beast are cast into the lake of fire.

    In that day it shall be—
    “The LORD is one,”[fn]
    And His name one.
    This is Jesus having come to save Israel and now the LORD is one shows that Jesus is known to be God and in unity with the Father.

    There is a continuity of life after the 2nd coming. Jesus melts His enemies and from then on Jerusalem will be safely inhabited.

    The people shall dwell in it;
    And no longer shall there be utter destruction,
    But Jerusalem shall be safely inhabited.
    12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem:
    Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet,
    Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets,
    And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

    More proof of life continuing on earth after the 2nd coming as the nations must now keep the feast of Tabernacles or they get no rain.

    And it shall come to pass that everyone who is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 17 And it shall be that whichever of the families of the earth do not come up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, on them there will be no rain. 18 If the family of Egypt will not come up and enter in, they shall have no rain; they shall receive the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles. 19 This shall be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not come up to keep the Feast of Tabernacles.

    I use 2 rules for prophecy found in Duet 18 that a prophet must be 100% right in the things he says must happen or he is a false prophet. and Peter says no prophecy is of any private interpretation. This is a very small fraction of the scriptures that integrate by seeing the Bible through this lens.

    If we continue to disagree lets have grace for one another and love each other and stay unified in the gospel.
     
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    excellent post.

    so clear that even a child could understand!
     
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    Your Teaching Isn't Seen In The Parable, The Righteous Obtain Eternal In Verse 46, They Enter The Eternal Kingdom In Verse 34

    Hesys Returns with the angels, the bations are gathered for judgment?

    You claim verse 46 that the righteous dont really obtain eternal life, they are promised it.

    We will strongly disagree, as Matthew 25:31-46 clearly shows the second advent, final judgment, eternal kingdom.

    The righteous dont obtain eternal life, they are promised it?

    "Real Big Smiles"

    Brian its my belief, when a person clearly knows what scripture says and denies it?

    This is the same as taking away from scripture, the same applies adding to.

    Revelation 22:18-19

    The parable clearly teaches, at the return of Jesus Christ, Eternal Life Is Obtained, And the Eternal Kingdom Begins.

    Jesus Christ Is Lord :)

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    You can make the above work by ignoring the rest of the New Testament.

    When Jesus spoke to the woman at the well in John chapter 4, she said that Jerusalem was the place to worship.
    If you are correct, Jesus would have told her she was correct.
    However, Christ said the opposite.


    In 2 Timothy 4:1, we find that Christ judges both the living and the dead at His return.

    In 2 Thessalonians chapter 1 Paul tells us that Christ returns in "flaming fire".
    When does the fire come in Revelation chapter 20?


    Is Peter looking for a 1,000 year carnal reign in 2 Peter 3:10-13, on "the day of the Lord" when Christ returns "as a thief"?

    Christ describes the bodily resurrection and judgment of "all" the dead in John 5:27-30.
    Christ describes the judgment of the nations in Matthew 25:31-46.
    Both of the above are found in Revelation 11:18, where we have "the nations" and "wrath" and "the time of the judgment of the dead" all in the same verse, along with rewards and destruction.
    Revelation 11:18 is found right after the 7th trumpet, which is the last trumpet in the Bible.
    The text of Revelation 11:15 states that it is the time when the kingdoms of this world become the kingdoms of God and Christ "forever". Not 1,000 years, but "forever".
    How long is "forever".


    If mortals die during your version of the Millennium, will the One who defeated sin and death at Calvary perform funeral services?

    It mortals die during this time where will their souls go, since Christ will be on earth?

    How can the lion and the lamb lay down together as if the curse is lifted and then you find it necessary to cut the lamb's throat for temple sacrifices?

    This confusion is produced by attempting to force the Book of Revelation into a perfect chronological order.

    Nobody can deny that Christ returns in Revelation 16:15-16, and also in chapter 19.
    Therefore, the book is not in chronological order.


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    His teaching is not found in scripture, how could it be a excellent post? :)
     
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    Hi after looking at your comments I am not going to address all of them in that my presentation demonstrated a integration of prophecy to show that indeed there is a timeline established.

    Your argument about the book of Revelation not being in chronological order is very poor as I only present a chronology of chapter 20. I agree that other parts of the book describe events as you have said. The argument you pose that the kingdom cannot be of this earth because it is an eternal kingdom actually support my idea more as Jesus is seen in scripture as being king over all the earth and his dominion continues when the new Jerusalem comes down. I showed how at the time the LORD returns the beast and the false prophet are both thrown into the lake of fire while Satan is bound. Daniels describes the antichrist as being given to the fire as well but states the other beasts have their lives prolonged a season and a time and that they have lost their dominion. In Zech 14 it says the LORD is king over all the earth. And I showed a continuation of life after He is king over all the earth as the nations must now keep the feast of tabernacles or they get no rain.

    I showed that there are prophecies of national Israel being saved spiritually and physically to enter a time of Holiness unto the LORD. The deliverance promised in LUKE 1 is described in Zech 14. The promise of Jesus sitting on the throne of David were presented in both Luke and Isaiah and Isaiah
    For unto us a Child is born,
    Unto us a Son is given;
    And the government will be upon His shoulder.
    And His name will be called
    Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
    Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
    7 Of the increase of His government and peace
    There will be no end,
    Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
    To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
    From that time forward, even forever.
    The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.

    Jesus is king over all the earth and sits on the throne of David at the 2nd coming. His reign will have no end. The souls in Revelation proclaim that they live again and reign with Jesus upon the earth.

    You bring up animal sacrifice and in other threads I have observed you present the idea that since we are under the new covenant there are no more sacrifices to be offered. And to the degree that there is no more sacrifice for sin I agree and promote the new covenant only for salvation. There are free will and peace offerings that are not sin offerings that can be made.



    Your 1st point about the women at the well demonstrates a form of interpretation that is mind boggling. You have taken what Jesus did not say as some sort of proof text by saying.
    g When Jesus spoke to the woman at the well in John chapter 4, she said that Jerusalem was the place to worship.
    If you are correct, Jesus would have told her she was correct.
    However, Christ said the opposite.

    So lets use your same method of interpretation on this passage in Acts 1 Therefore, when they had come together, they asked Him, saying, “Lord, will You at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 And He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons which the Father has put in His own authority.

    Certainly Jesus would have said there is no kingdom coming back to Israel if tit was never going to happen but He said that timing was in the Fathers authority. So we must conclude He will restore the kingdom to Israel.

    You ask some good questions about those who die during the Millennium I do not see an answer in scripture but perhaps something like Abraham's bosom will be set up again.


    (sorry i went to bold type when i quoted your post I did not know how to turn it back.)

    In Jer 31 when the promise of the new covenant is made the LORD promises that Israel will not cease to be a nation and he would not cut off Israel for all they had done and he promises a time when the gates in Jerusalem would no more be torn down forever. In Zech 14 we see Israel overrun and the LORD returns and these gates will have been torn down. In Rev we see what Satan is loosed he surrounds the city and His army is consumed by fire.

    Rev 20 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them.

    Zech 14 For I will gather all the nations to battle against Jerusalem;
    The city shall be taken,
    Then the LORD will go forth
    And fight against those nations,
    As He fights in the day of battle.
    4 And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
    Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
    And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
    From east to west,
    Making a very large valley;
    And in that day it shall be
    That living waters shall flow from Jerusalem,
    Half of them toward the eastern sea
    And half of them toward the western sea;
    In both summer and winter it shall occur.
    9 And the LORD shall be King over all the earth.

    Jer 31
    “If heaven above can be measured,
    And the foundations of the earth searched out beneath,
    I will also cast off all the seed of Israel
    For all that they have done, says the LORD.
    38 “Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, that the city shall be built for the LORD from the Tower of Hananel to the Corner Gate. 39 The surveyor’s line shall again extend straight forward over the hill Gareb; then it shall turn toward Goath. 40 And the whole valley of the dead bodies and of the ashes, and all the fields as far as the Brook Kidron, to the corner of the Horse Gate toward the east, shall be holy to the LORD. It shall not be plucked up or thrown down anymore forever.”

    So we see when Satan is destroyed the city is encircled. We see when the LORD comes the city is taken. These are two separate events. We see in Jer God promises not to cast off Israel and that at a time when the whole valley is full of dead bodies those gates will not be plucked down ever again. Those dead bodies are present when the LORD comes. The time that they will not be torn down begins at the 2nd coming. The time Satan is loosed he is destroyed outside the city. There is a kingdom on earth prior to the New Jerusalem.




     
  18. BABerean2

    BABerean2 Newbie Supporter

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    On the Day of Pentecost the Spirit of God was poured out on many of the individuals present that day, not on the whole crowd.

    In Acts 2:36 Peter addressed the crowd as "all the house of Israel".

    There is nothing in the New Testament which says all of the modern State of Israel will come to faith in Christ.
    Some try to create this scenario by changing the word "so" into the word "then" in Romans 11:26.
    They also attempt to change the "covenant" in Romans 11:27 into a future covenant, instead of the New Covenant fulfilled for all races of people at Calvary.


    Rom 9:27  Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: 


    God dealt with the nation of Israel under the Old Covenant.
    God deals with individuals from all races of people under the New Covenant.


    On the Day of Pentecost about 3,000 of the "house of Israel" accepted the New Covenant promised in Jeremiah 31:31-34.

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  19. Truth7t7

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    You have not responded to the "Two Question Below" do you deny these scriptural questions?

    "Please Answer Directly"

    When we understand?

    When Jesus Christ returns with the holy angels, its the final judgment, lake of fire, eternal life, "Eternal Kingdom Time"

    There will be no earthly 1000 year kingdom, with mortal humans present, eternity has started

    Will you disregard the very simple explanation of scripture as presented below?

    "Two Questions"

    1.) Will you deny "Eternal Life" is seen in verse 46?

    2.) Will you deny those that obtained "Eternal Life", enter a kingdom in verse 34 thats "Eternal"?

    (Verses 31-32) Jesus returns with the holy angels, the nations are gathered before the throne, judgment takes place.

    (Verse 34) The "Eternal Kingdom" is presented for the righteous to enter.

    (Verse 41) The wicked are judged to the lake of fire.

    (Verse 46) The righteous obtain "Eternal Life" and enter the "Eternal Kingdom" seen in verse 34.

    Matthew 25:31-46KJV
    31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory:
    32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
    33 And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
    34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
    35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
    36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
    37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
    38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
    39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
    40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
    41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
    42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
    43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
    44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
    45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
    46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.
     
  20. seventysevens

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    Consider that 36 inches , 3 ft and 1 yard are the very same distance even though there are number''s 36 , 3 and 1 they are the same

    Scripture tells us that a day with the Lord is as 1000 years with mankind, and 1000 years with mankind is as 1 day with the Lord . The spiritual/supernatural realm is the past present and future all in the now, as in there is no difference ,

    When scripture speaks of That Day of the Lord scripture in this context is making direct reference to the Day in the Lord is a one thousand year time span as that is the time span of a day in the supernatural realm
    At the end of THAT Day of the Lord the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up

    When you can properly understand what 2 Peter is saying you will then be able to see the error in your view, as long as you refuse to accept this simple truth you will just not get it

    8 But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    9 The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
     
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