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Mattell makes Wiccan Barbie - Is this right?

Discussion in 'News & Current Events (Articles Required)' started by MrsMom, Oct 19, 2003.

  1. Brother Christman

    Brother Christman Constitution Party->11.04

    My primary beef with Barney is his annoying voice. Granted, his purple color feels a little gender-neutral creepy, but that bothers me only marginally in comparison to his Goofy-wanna-be speaking tones.

    Watch the flaming and personal attacks, all right? [noflame] Thank you. :)
  2. Inspired

    Inspired only hurts when I breathe

    Where are the Christian toy-makers?
  3. Mylinkay Asdara

    Mylinkay Asdara Voice of Li'Adan

    Who revived this topic? It was ridiculous when it was posted and now it's suddenly back...
  4. Lillithspeak

    Lillithspeak The Umbrella

    :cry: Oh yes, I end my days with: What would Sweetkitty want me to do? :bow: Not in this lifetime.
  5. Lillithspeak

    Lillithspeak The Umbrella

  6. SqueezetheShaman

    SqueezetheShaman Well-Known Member

    oops apparently I have to spread it around before giving it to you some more :D
  7. ThePhoenix

    ThePhoenix Well-Known Member

    Christian toys probably resemble christian computer games... they shouldn't exist. And this is coming from a christian. Most of it is an insult to my faith. At least the secular stuff doesn't pretend.
  8. Haethurn

    Haethurn Member

    Jesus wouldn't want us to do anything about it because he knows that human beings are flawed and can't solve "problems" like this without causing further problems.
  9. Haethurn

    Haethurn Member

    It looks like we have another follower of Socrates. We must censor the poets so that their verses won't disrupt our children's conditioning. It is crucial if we are to breed the perfect soldier for our Republic, that we must not let the children hear anything contrary to what we would like them to hear. We must mold these young minds. The future of our Republic depends on it!

    The Wiccan barbie doll would set their conditioning back by several months! Think of all of that time we'd waste!

    You know also that the beginning is the most important part of any work, especially in the case of a young and tender thing; for that is the time at which the character is being formed and the desired impression is more readily taken.
    Quite True.
    And shall we just carelessly allow children to hear any casual tales which may be devised by casual persons, and to receive into their minds ideas for the most part the very opposite of those which we should wish them to have when they are grown up?
    We can not.
    Then the first thing will be to establish a censorship of the writers of fiction, and let the censors receive any tale of fiction which is good, and reject the bad; and we will desire mothers and nurses to tell their children the authorized ones only. Let them fashion the mind with such tales, even more fondly than they mould the body with their hands; but most of those which are now in use must be discarded.

    Such then, I said, are our principles of theology-some tales are to be told, and others are not to be told to our disciples from their youth upwards, if we mean them to honor the gods and their parents, and to value friendship with one another.
    Yes; and I think that our principles are right, he said.
    But if they are to be courageous, must they not learn other lessons besides these, and lessons of such a kind as will take away the fear of death? Can any man be courageous who has the fear of death in him?
    Certainly not, he said.
    And can he be fearless of death, or will he choose death in battle rather than defeat and slavery, who believes the world below to be real and terrible?

    Then we must assume a control over the narrators of this class of tales as well as over the others, and beg them not simply to revile, but rather to commend the world below, intimating to them that their descriptions are untrue, and will do harm to our future warriors.
    That will be our duty, he said.
    Then, I said, we shall have to obliterate many obnoxious passages, beginning with the verses,

    "I would rather be a serf on the land of a poor and portionless man than rule over all the dead who have come to nought."

    And shall we proceed to get rid of the weepings and wailings of famous men?
    They will go with the rest.

    Neither ought our guardians to be given to laughter. For a fit of laughter which has been indulged to excess almost always produces a violent reaction.
    So I believe.

    Then if any one at all is to have the privilege of lying, the rulers of the State should be the persons; and they, in their dealings either with enemies or with their own citizens, may be allowed to lie for the public good. But nobody else should meddle with anything of the kind; and although the rulers have this privilege, for a private man to lie to them in return is to be deemed a more heinous fault than for the patient or the pupil of a gymnasium not to speak the truth about his own bodily illnesses to the physician or to the trainer, or for a sailor not to tell the captain what is happening about the ship and the rest of the crew, and how things are going with himself or his fellow sailors.
    Most true, he said.
    If, then, the ruler catches anybody beside himself lying in the State,

    "Any of the craftsmen, whether he be priest or physician or carpenter."

    he will punish him for introducing a practice which is equally subversive and destructive of ship or State.

    -Plato's The Republic-INSPIRATION FOR HITLER.

    If you want to be a good parent, you would do well to foster INDIVIDUALITY in your child, instead of molding her in your own image.
  10. STARRDUST1480

    STARRDUST1480 New Member

    Other Religion
    I'm sorry I just can't believe that you guys are so insulted by the fact that people have different cultures. I'm not trying to stir up trouble or anything. It's just that Wicca promotes accepting other people for their beliefs, but yet you can't find in yourselves to do the same. You should try learn a little bit about Wicca before your start judging. But it's things like this that make the younger generations steer away from christianity. I don't think it's a bad idea to have little girls learning something other than the norm. Wicca is all about doing good for other people. There is nothing evil about it. I like to see that Wicca is finally making it into the mainstream.

    Not trying to get you riled up just trying to get you to think.
  11. OfficeBoss

    OfficeBoss Guest

    Does the zealotry and mindless fear ever stop?
  12. SallyNow

    SallyNow Blame it on the SOCK GNOMES!

    I don't see those who make Barbie parodies as deviants. I see them as taking a silly doll that has become and icon and making some interesting (and funny) statements about it.

    I don't see anything really immoral here (except perhaps that they sell products for children made by children in awful conditions: http://www.just-style.com/article.aspx?art=37751&type=1 , warning, PDF file and long)

    Little kids use their imagination, and this an important part of a child's development. Parents often use this to their advantage. The secret life of the Tooth Fairy, anyone?

    I'm not a huge fan of Barbie...but making some silly "magical" doll isn't high up on the "reasons I dislike Barbie dolls for young kids" list.
  13. OfficeBoss

    OfficeBoss Guest

    I would guess she thinks that being non christian is immoral and deviant.
  14. I <3 Abraham

    I <3 Abraham Go Cubbies!

    United Ch. of Christ
    I've been very surprised since starting posting at CF at the number of people who believe that magic is real. IME most of these people think that it is dangerous and evil, I dont get it.
  15. Petunia

    Petunia Senior Veteran Supporter

    United States
    Speaking of open mindedness and mindlessness, you do know you've re-opened a thread that's nearly three years old, doncha? This isn't news or current events.
  16. I <3 Abraham

    I <3 Abraham Go Cubbies!

    United Ch. of Christ

    THATS why there are so many views!
  17. DhaliClone

    DhaliClone Well-Known Member

    In Relationship
    I don't get why people think they have to "do" anything about stuff they disagree with.

    If you don't like something, then don't get involved with it, end of story. It saves you, other people, and the government lots of time and money.
  18. OfficeBoss

    OfficeBoss Guest

    I wasnt the one who bumped it.
  19. OfficeBoss

    OfficeBoss Guest

    Im not really suprised. Religious people believe in magic and the supernatural by default pretty much.
  20. I <3 Abraham

    I <3 Abraham Go Cubbies!

    United Ch. of Christ
    Not really...All but one of my friends in neurobiology PhD programs are religious.

    On the Christian tip, Paul Tillich and Spong dude.