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Hi Zeke, that was for Carmella P's questions.
I don't think I could answer your request because millenial is necessarily a restoration of the land and worship system of Judaism, isn't it? I couldn't change the observation that the global, universal changes at the 2nd coming need no Judaic details to happen--are not dependent on them happening. Since the 'vineyard was given to those who will produce its fruit' in Mt 21's parable, I know of no reason why we are dependent on anything happening in modern Israel, any restored Judaism. Of course, it would be fantastic if there were an outpouring of the Spirit to preach the Gospel to all nations--a positive replication of the early chapters of Acts, wouldn't it?
I did forget to mention one thing in #3 about 2 Th 2. That was not to say it is about the distant future. It was to show that it was about the 7th decade. It has the same expectations of a total divine end of all evil as does Mt 24 & //s. When I said this man of sin proclaims himself as God, "Dougg" here at CF said 'then it can't be a figure active in Judaism because Judaism does not think Messiah to be divine.' We have debated that and I think he has quit that view.
In an odd way, it highlights the dilemma of Christ: he was Messiah and claimed to be divine with many demonstrations, but the claim offended Judaism. AC or the man of sin claimed to be god, without proof (although that was expected) and got away with the claim because the population was so deluded into thinking a messiah would help overthrow Rome. The sad thing is much of the following of Judaism in the 7th decade were both delusional and terrorist. Think of something like the Taliban and Jim Jones 'Peoples Church' at the same time. Paul couldn't have written of the problem of 'claiming to be god' unless it was prohibited to claim such and should have been seen as abhorrent to those in Judaism--unless you actually were (Christ).
--Inter
I don't think I could answer your request because millenial is necessarily a restoration of the land and worship system of Judaism, isn't it? I couldn't change the observation that the global, universal changes at the 2nd coming need no Judaic details to happen--are not dependent on them happening. Since the 'vineyard was given to those who will produce its fruit' in Mt 21's parable, I know of no reason why we are dependent on anything happening in modern Israel, any restored Judaism. Of course, it would be fantastic if there were an outpouring of the Spirit to preach the Gospel to all nations--a positive replication of the early chapters of Acts, wouldn't it?
I did forget to mention one thing in #3 about 2 Th 2. That was not to say it is about the distant future. It was to show that it was about the 7th decade. It has the same expectations of a total divine end of all evil as does Mt 24 & //s. When I said this man of sin proclaims himself as God, "Dougg" here at CF said 'then it can't be a figure active in Judaism because Judaism does not think Messiah to be divine.' We have debated that and I think he has quit that view.
In an odd way, it highlights the dilemma of Christ: he was Messiah and claimed to be divine with many demonstrations, but the claim offended Judaism. AC or the man of sin claimed to be god, without proof (although that was expected) and got away with the claim because the population was so deluded into thinking a messiah would help overthrow Rome. The sad thing is much of the following of Judaism in the 7th decade were both delusional and terrorist. Think of something like the Taliban and Jim Jones 'Peoples Church' at the same time. Paul couldn't have written of the problem of 'claiming to be god' unless it was prohibited to claim such and should have been seen as abhorrent to those in Judaism--unless you actually were (Christ).
--Inter
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