Massive invasion of Israel - right on schedule, prophetically??

[Zadok7000]

The deception is by false miracles, Zadok.

Yup you got it. Only the Elect see though the lies - but if it were allowed to continue, even they would be deceived (IE receive the Mark of the Beast). So the Lord cut that time short, for their sakes. Mark of the Beast = Spiritually dead. No flesh saved = all deceived.

 

[Junebug28]

Yup you got it. Only the Elect see though the lies - but if it were allowed to continue, even they would be deceived (IE receive the Mark of the Beast). So the Lord cut that time short, for their sakes. Mark of the Beast = Spiritually dead. No flesh saved = all deceived.

And the elect who are here to see the false miracles are the elect of Israel. Jesus said the tribulation is cut short prior to the rising up of the antichrist/false prophet/false miracles. Jesus said the sun and moon darken immediately after the tribulation is cut short. The antichrist arises during the 7th seal/Day of the Lord/Wrath.


21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.


23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.



29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

 

[Zadok7000]

And the elect who are here to see the false miracles are the elect of Israel.

Subject is still deception, not invasion.

Jesus said the tribulation is cut short prior to the rising up of the antichrist/false prophet/false miracles. Jesus said the sun and moon darken immediately after the tribulation is cut short.

No offense, but your reading comprehension stinks. Even in english, Matt. 24 doesn't say that. Don't let some preconceived notion cloud your study.

 

[Junebug28]

Subject is still deception, not invasion.



No offense, but your reading comprehension stinks. Even in english, Matt. 24 doesn't say that. Don't let some preconceived notion cloud your study.

21For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

29Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:



23Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Now that Obama is arming Al Queda in Lybia

*wek voice* What? Citation seriously needed.

Also, as I've said elsewhere, while I am loathe to pick on people for spelling errors or typos, since I am a frequent victim of them myself... if you are not adequately informed about a country to even be able to correctly spell it, I think its a good idea to refrain from commenting on it.

 

[Junebug28]

*wek voice* What? Citation seriously needed.

Also, as I've said elsewhere, while I am loathe to pick on people for spelling errors or typos, since I am a frequent victim of them myself... if you are not adequately informed about a country to even be able to correctly spell it, I think its a good idea to refrain from commenting on it.

Everybody makes mistakes, blackbabe. Spelling errors are trivial, in my opinion.

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph

 

[Blackwater Babe]

Everybody makes mistakes, blackbabe. Spelling errors are trivial, in my opinion.

Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links - Telegraph

So what if they do? Obama isn't arming them.

 

[Junebug28]

So what if they do? Obama isn't arming them.

It's treason if he does. He would be aiding and abetting the enemy.

Obama doesn't rule out arming rebels in Libya - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency

How crazy is that? We're fighting al qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan and then KNOWINGLY arming al qaeda in Libya. It's treasonous.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

It's treason if he does. He would be aiding and abetting the enemy.

Obama doesn't rule out arming rebels in Libya - The Oval: Tracking the Obama presidency

How crazy is that? We're fighting al qaeda in Iraq and Afghanistan and then KNOWINGLY arming al qaeda in Libya. It's treasonous.

Well first of all, I think it only fair to point out the US has a long history of arming al Queda, starting under Raegan, and continuing under Bush I.

That said, no one is arming Libyan rebels yet, and even if they were, "links" to al Queda does not equal "synonomous with" al Queda.

Your baseless panic is at about 11, we need you at about a 5, 'k?

 

[Gnarwhal]

Well first of all, I think it only fair to point out the US has a long history of arming al Queda, starting under Raegan, and continuing under Bush I.

That said, no one is arming Libyan rebels yet, and even if they were, "links" to al Queda does not equal "synonomous with" al Queda.

Your baseless panic is at about 11, we need you at about a 5, 'k?

Agreed.

We've been supplying arms to a laundry list of different factions for decades. Ever see the film Lord of War with Nicolas Cage? Very interesting, it kind of sheds some light on what you're speaking about.

 

[Junebug28]

Back to topic.

Let's recap:

1. The massive Northern army invasion of Israel occurs in the Spring, when the grape vines and fig trees are beginning and the wheat and barley are in the fields, according to Joel 1.

2. The gathering of God's people occurs at that same moment, when the invasion begins. Song of Solomon 2 descrbes a Springtime gathering, when the grape vines and fig trees are beginning and the winter rains are over and gone, and flowers appear on the earth. Joel 2 also describes that gathering taking place at the time of the invasion.

3. The Middle East is on fire and good people are growing more and more concerned for Israel especially with the new UN agenda of "Responsibility to Protect" and Syria, Iran, Hamas, and Hezbollah rumbling.

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[Blackwater Babe]

No one's going to invade Israel. No one has the military capability to do it. If anyone were intending to invade Israel, we would see months, if not years, of dedicated military build up and preparation. And we simply don't see that. Anywhere. No, not even in Russia.

So sorry kids, the Rapture ain't happening this Spring.

 

[Gnarwhal]

No one's going to invade Israel. No one has the military capability to do it. If anyone were intending to invade Israel, we would see months, if not years, of dedicated military build up and preparation. And we simply don't see that. Anywhere. No, not even in Russia.

So sorry kids, the Rapture ain't happening this Spring.

Yep!

Anybody wanting to mount any attack against the Israelis is going to have to do a lot better than the mujahideen on horseback. Like already mentioned, the buildup of military equipment would be entirely conspicuous and likely brought before the U.N. Security Council. Beyond that, it wouldn't be long before news like that leaked to the press and it'd be wide out in the open.

 

[Junebug28]

No one's going to invade Israel. No one has the military capability to do it. If anyone were intending to invade Israel, we would see months, if not years, of dedicated military build up and preparation. And we simply don't see that. Anywhere. No, not even in Russia.

So sorry kids, the Rapture ain't happening this Spring.

Yep!

Anybody wanting to mount any attack against the Israelis is going to have to do a lot better than the mujahideen on horseback. Like already mentioned, the buildup of military equipment would be entirely conspicuous and likely brought before the U.N. Security Council. Beyond that, it wouldn't be long before news like that leaked to the press and it'd be wide out in the open.

I think you are either forgetting or unaware that the radical leftists and the Islamic jihadists (who currently govern the nations of the world) have two major things in common: they want capitalism and Israel to both go away.


Israel seizes cargo ship 'carrying weapons for Gaza' - Telegraph

"On the boat we discovered many weapons destined for terror groups in the heart of Gaza," he said.
"The only certain thing is the source of the weaponry was Iran, and there was a Syrian relay station as well. This is the main axis that provides the forces of terror in Lebanon and Gaza."

http://www.dailystar.com.lb/article.asp?edition_id=1&categ_id=2&article_id=124737#axzz1IA3eCyw8

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BEIRUT: Israel&#8217;s deputy prime minister Tuesday became the latest high-profile Israeli official to accuse Hezbollah of violating international law by increasing its alleged stockpile of arms. "​

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/0...es-south-lebanon-israel-sees-battlefield-war/

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Underneath fields and homes in south Lebanon, Israel sees the battlefield of the next war

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http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/43004/

"Russian minister of defense, Anatoly Serdyukov, confirmed with Russian reporters on Friday that Russia will sell P-800 Yakhont cruise missiles to Syria. These remarks came during Serdyukov's visit to the United States this past weekend. "



Where do you stand? Do you want Israel and Capitalism to disappear? (rhetorical question)

 

[contango]

Yep!

Anybody wanting to mount any attack against the Israelis is going to have to do a lot better than the mujahideen on horseback. Like already mentioned, the buildup of military equipment would be entirely conspicuous and likely brought before the U.N. Security Council. Beyond that, it wouldn't be long before news like that leaked to the press and it'd be wide out in the open.

If it were to be a surprise attack you'd be right. But what of the apparently growing anti-Israeli sentiments, the question over why Israel is allowed nuclear weapons when other nations in the area are not, the whole Gaza/West Bank issue and so on?

What would it take for UN resolutions against Israel to be passed, and from there what would it take for a UN-authorized force to invade Israel if it refused to comply?

Given the choice between two scenarios I find it easier to believe that Israel will be isolated by the UN and invaded by a UN-sanctioned force than invaded by an overwhelming military force that nobody noticed creeping up.

 

[Junebug28]

If it were to be a surprise attack you'd be right. But what of the apparently growing anti-Israeli sentiments, the question over why Israel is allowed nuclear weapons when other nations in the area are not, the whole Gaza/West Bank issue and so on?

What would it take for UN resolutions against Israel to be passed, and from there what would it take for a UN-authorized force to invade Israel if it refused to comply?

Given the choice between two scenarios I find it easier to believe that Israel will be isolated by the UN and invaded by a UN-sanctioned force than invaded by an overwhelming military force that nobody noticed creeping up.

List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The U.N. has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other nations combined"

http://www.responsibilitytoprotect.org/index.php/crises/other-rtop-concerns
"II. The Crisis in Gaza: An RtoP Situation? (December 2008-January 2009)

RtoP has been referred to, notably by Richard Falk, UN Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, but also by others who claim that crimes committed in Gaza have reached the threshold of RtoP crimes. The humanitarian crisis prompted various independent investigative committees that have reported the commission of mass atrocities by both Hamas and the Israeli government. Most recently, the UN Fact Finding mission in Gaza found evidence of serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law committed by Israel during the Gaza conflict, which amounted to war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity. There remain questions as to the extent to which these crimes were widespread and systematic, arguably a determining factor for whether the RtoP threshold for an international response was met. In addition, questions remained as to whether invoking RtoP could bring the desired changes to protect civilians in this deeply politicized situation.
Read more..."

 

[Blackwater Babe]

If it were to be a surprise attack you'd be right. But what of the apparently growing anti-Israeli sentiments, the question over why Israel is allowed nuclear weapons when other nations in the area are not, the whole Gaza/West Bank issue and so on?

What would it take for UN resolutions against Israel to be passed, and from there what would it take for a UN-authorized force to invade Israel if it refused to comply?

Given the choice between two scenarios I find it easier to believe that Israel will be isolated by the UN and invaded by a UN-sanctioned force than invaded by an overwhelming military force that nobody noticed creeping up.

UN backed or non UN backed, no one is currently in a position to invade Israel.

Invasions are a big deal, you can't just throw one together on a whim.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

List of United Nations resolutions concerning Israel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

"The U.N. has passed more resolutions condemning Israel than it has all other nations combined"

Other Crises of Concern
"II. The Crisis in Gaza: An RtoP Situation? (December 2008-January 2009)

RtoP has been referred to, notably by Richard Falk, UN Special Rapporteur on the Occupied Palestinian Territories, but also by others who claim that crimes committed in Gaza have reached the threshold of RtoP crimes. The humanitarian crisis prompted various independent investigative committees that have reported the commission of mass atrocities by both Hamas and the Israeli government. Most recently, the UN Fact Finding mission in Gaza found evidence of serious violations of international human rights and humanitarian law committed by Israel during the Gaza conflict, which amounted to war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity. There remain questions as to the extent to which these crimes were widespread and systematic, arguably a determining factor for whether the RtoP threshold for an international response was met. In addition, questions remained as to whether invoking RtoP could bring the desired changes to protect civilians in this deeply politicized situation.
Read more..."

And?

I don't think you have the vaguest idea of the distance between a fact finding mission identifying human rights abuses and an invasion.

 

[Blackwater Babe]

I think you are either forgetting or unaware that the radical leftists and the Islamic jihadists (who currently govern the nations of the world) have two major things in common: they want capitalism and Israel to both go away.

Where do you GET this rubbish?

The only seriously competing economic system vs. Capitalism in the recent past has been communism. The former USSR and China, the two biggest former communist blocs in the world, are both WILD for capitalism at this present time. As for everyone "wanting Israel to go away"... utter nonsense. Most people don't care about Israel. Most of those who do care about Israel are more than happy for it to exist, but think they should stop brutalising the Palestinians.

Yes, there is a tiny minority of people who would like to destroy Israel. But since they are all either hiding in caves in Afghanistan, throwing rocks on the streets of Gaza, or dead, they are immensely inconsequential in terms of international politics.

 

[wayseer]

Actually, did Jesus not free us from this convoluted thinking?