Massachusettes sees at least 80 deaths from Covid among the vaccinated

[Aldebaran]

From your article:


0.0018% of the vaccinated population.

Covid has killed 18,121 people in Massachusetts, or 0.263% of the entire population. IOW, unvaccinated Massachusetts residents roughly 145x more likely to die from covid than vaccinated residents.

Are you so bad at math that you think an improvement of 14,500% is not effective? Or are you being deliberately, dishonestly contrarian?

Why are you questioning my math? All I did was post what the article said. Take up any issues about math with NBC.

 

[Dkh587]

"Safe and effective"=5,166 sick and 80 dead.

Ironically, "one death is just too many" when it came to the actual virus killing people, so we were expected to take drastic measures, yet when 80(or any number of people) die from vaccines, it's "a small insignificant number".

I'm so exhausted by the vaccine cult.

 

[Subdood]

Ironically, "one death is just too many" when it came to the actual virus killing people, so we were expected to take drastic measures, yet when 80 people or more die from vaccines, it's "a small insignificant number".

I'm so exhausted by the vaccine cult.

You wouldn't be... if only you'd get vaccinated.

 

[Tanj]

I have no idea who/what that is.

Valneva and Sinovax only have emergency use outside of the USA.
Our own CDC says that deactivated vaccines* are better for people with "immune dysregulation" (like my family), but they are not available here. Less of their design is experimental, and we would get them if they were available.

*Valneva is expected to have a quality advantage over Sinovax, but we would even take the latter over current choices. And mRNA vaccines haven't been studied for immune dysregulation, specifically.

I don't personally think that's a wise delay. Inactivated viruses are not great at promoting Tcell responses which are important for COVID clearance and immune memory, and what Tcell responses they do generate (including the wrong ones) is adjuvant dependent. You might be better off with the Az or J&J vaccine, as adeno based vaccines are well studied and generate better T cell responses.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

I have no idea who/what that is.

Valneva and Sinovax only have emergency use outside of the USA.
Our own CDC says that deactivated vaccines* are better for people with "immune dysregulation" (like my family), but they are not available here. Less of their design is experimental, and we would get them if they were available.

*Valneva is expected to have a quality advantage over Sinovax, but we would even take the latter over current choices. And mRNA vaccines haven't been studied for immune dysregulation, specifically.

Granted, there is much we do not know about Covid and various vaccines and in individual circumstances intelligent skepticism is warranted, that is what good doctors are for. especially those dealing with non-common problems. That said, for the general populace and you as well, it is better that we all get vaccinated that can.

 

[Aldebaran]

Ironically, "one death is just too many" when it came to the actual virus killing people, so we were expected to take drastic measures, yet when 80 people or more die from vaccines, it's "a small insignificant number".

I'm so exhausted by the vaccine cult.

The 80 deaths in this case aren't even from the vaccines. They're from Covid itself, AFTER being fully vaccinated.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Ironically, "one death is just too many" when it came to the actual virus killing people, so we were expected to take drastic measures, yet when 80 people or more die from vaccines, it's "a small insignificant number".

I'm so exhausted by the vaccine cult.

You do realize that when the rare case of a vaccinated person dying from covid happens, they're not "dying from the vaccine", right?

Nobody ever claimed that vaccines were 100% effective. The expectation was that they'd greatly reduce the risk of hospitalization and death from the disease...which the statistics posted in this thread show they're accomplishing quite well.

Some people will still die in car accidents even if they're wearing seat belt, that doesn't mean that seat belts don't reduce the risk of death during a car accident.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

You wouldn't be... if only you'd get vaccinated.

I think innumeracy has outstripped illiteracy as a problem in this country.

 

[.Jeremiah.]

"Rare" breakthrough infections are sickening and killing people in Massachusetts.



More than 5,100 Massachusetts residents have tested positive for COVID-19, despite being fully vaccinated against the virus, and at least 80 of them have died, state health officials said Tuesday night.

The latest update from the state Department of Public Health comes as coronavirus metrics continue to creep up in the Bay State while the more contagious delta variant keeps spreading in the U.S.

The so-called breakthrough cases — where fully vaccinated individuals test positive for coronavirus — have so far been rare, but are possible. And should even be expected, per the CDC.

As of July 17, a total of 5,166 breakthrough cases had been reported to the state DPH. Of those, 272 people were hospitalized and survived. Of the 80 people who died, 23 died without being hospitalized; 57 died following a hospital stay.
More Than 5,100 Breakthrough COVID Cases Reported in Mass.; at Least 80 Have Died

I posted this on the other Covid thread:

“It does seem logical.

Nothing odd about it.

If 100% of a population is vaccinated, 100% of cases would be with vaccinated people.”

Also, if 10% of a population is vaccinated, most cases will be the unvaccinated.

It is just math, nothing mysterious.

 

[Subdood]

I think innumeracy has outstripped illiteracy as a problem in this country.

Only among 30% of the overall 120% is this actually an issue, and then only 10% of half the time.

 

[Aldebaran]

I posted this on the other Covid thread:

“It does seem logical.

Nothing odd about it.

If 100% of a population is vaccinated, 100% of cases would be with vaccinated people.”

Also, if 10% of a population is vaccinated, most cases will be the unvaccinated.

It is just math, nothing mysterious.

How many people vaccinated against Smallpox have died from Smallpox this year?

 

[(° ͡ ͜ ͡ʖ ͡ °) (ᵔᴥᵔʋ)]

"Rare" breakthrough infections are sickening and killing people in Massachusetts.



More than 5,100 Massachusetts residents have tested positive for COVID-19, despite being fully vaccinated against the virus, and at least 80 of them have died, state health officials said Tuesday night.

The latest update from the state Department of Public Health comes as coronavirus metrics continue to creep up in the Bay State while the more contagious delta variant keeps spreading in the U.S.

The so-called breakthrough cases — where fully vaccinated individuals test positive for coronavirus — have so far been rare, but are possible. And should even be expected, per the CDC.

As of July 17, a total of 5,166 breakthrough cases had been reported to the state DPH. Of those, 272 people were hospitalized and survived. Of the 80 people who died, 23 died without being hospitalized; 57 died following a hospital stay.
More Than 5,100 Breakthrough COVID Cases Reported in Mass.; at Least 80 Have Died

But...but...Florida...

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

How many people vaccinated against Smallpox have died from Smallpox this year?

Interesting question, do you have any data and can you show us how this might be relevant to the current Covid situation?

 

[.Jeremiah.]

How many people vaccinated against Smallpox have died from Smallpox this year?

That is an irrelevant question.

IF smallpox appears, and IF people get it, it will likely be the vaccinated.

So, what was your question again?

 

[Sparagmos]

"Rare" breakthrough infections are sickening and killing people in Massachusetts.



More than 5,100 Massachusetts residents have tested positive for COVID-19, despite being fully vaccinated against the virus, and at least 80 of them have died, state health officials said Tuesday night.

The latest update from the state Department of Public Health comes as coronavirus metrics continue to creep up in the Bay State while the more contagious delta variant keeps spreading in the U.S.

The so-called breakthrough cases — where fully vaccinated individuals test positive for coronavirus — have so far been rare, but are possible. And should even be expected, per the CDC.

As of July 17, a total of 5,166 breakthrough cases had been reported to the state DPH. Of those, 272 people were hospitalized and survived. Of the 80 people who died, 23 died without being hospitalized; 57 died following a hospital stay.
More Than 5,100 Breakthrough COVID Cases Reported in Mass.; at Least 80 Have Died

.0018% isn’t rare? What is the percentage for the unvaccinated?

 

[Sparagmos]

"Safe and effective"=5,166 sick and 80 dead.

Not sick, tested positive. Out of 4.4 million!

 

[.Jeremiah.]

How many people vaccinated against Smallpox have died from Smallpox this year?

Try this:

Smallpox | CDC

 

[iluvatar5150]

I think we better drop the word "rare". Obviously it's not rare at all to get covid even if you are fully vaxed.

What’s your idea of rare? Going by these numbers, the likelihood of dying from covid after being vaccinated is about 1 in 54,000.

Why are you questioning my math? All I did was post what the article said. Take up any issues about math with NBC.

No, that isn’t all you did. You put “rare” and “safe & effective” in scare quotes. Don’t be disingenuous.

 

[Aldebaran]

Interesting question, do you have any data and can you show us how this might be relevant to the current Covid situation?

Absolutely!
The Covid vaccines are (were) claimed to be 95% effective, and yet we're still seeing hospitalizations and deaths that give it an actual effectiveness closer to 34%

As for the Smallpox vaccine, according to the CDC:
"Historically, the vaccine has been effective in preventing smallpox infection in 95% of those vaccinated. In addition, the vaccine was proven to prevent or substantially lessen infection when given within a few days after a person was exposed to the variola virus."
Vaccine Basics | Smallpox | CDC

That's right. 95%.

So I ask again, how many people vaccinated against Smallpox have died from Smallpox this year?

 

[GoldenBoy89]

"Safe and effective"=5,166 sick and 80 dead.

Out of how many millions of vaccines administered?

Seems pretty safe to me.