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Luke 1:43, Elizabeth calls Mary the mother of her Lord. Among Jews, there is only one Lord, the great I AM, Yahweh, the One who delivered the Israelites from Egypt, the One who created the heavens and the earth. Elizabeth, being filled with the Holy Spirit, said that Mary was carrying in her womb their Lord God.
Elisabeth did not say that Mary only bore a human who would later become God, or that she bore a human that would later become God, or that she only bore the human nature of the God. No! A mother is not a mother of a nature. A mother is a mother of a person, in this case, a divine person.
As they like to say at Geico, "everyone knows that".
This does not mean she is is the mother of the Trinity. She is the mother of the second Person Trinity. But that does not mean that she is less of the mother of God. Jesus is not one-third God. That would make him a demigod. But the Bible say He is fully God.
Colossians 2:9 says that all the fullness of Deity dwells in Jesus.
Certainly the scriptures are clear that all the fullness of Deity dwells in Jesus.
The doctrine of the Trinity is debatable.
But she is the mother of the Lord. And what son would treat his mother as if she was just a servant. I know that if my mother was still alive and I somehow came into a lot of money, I would want my mother to live in my mansion with me. And she would be in the room right next to me. And I would expect any servants we have would treat her with the same respect they do to me. If anyone would accuse me of treating my mother any less than that I would consider it as an insult to my personally.
Which makes me think that Mary is among the elect of God and seated with Christ in Heaven with the rest of us Christians.
And yet some Christians treat our Lord as having less love for His own mother than we would have to pour own! They see that our great God and Savior is so insecure that He feels threatened if we show any love or respect to His mother! My God is too great for that!
Where on earth have you seen that? I never have seen such disrespect for Mary from the Lord in the scriptures or from believers here on earth..
Jesus had so much love and respect for His Mother that she was the last person He made earthly provision for while He hung on the cross by linking her with John for the rest of their lives.
Again - I have never seen a believer disrespect the Lord's mother.
To lower the status of Mary is to lower the glory of Jesus! Denial of Mary's divine motherhood often leads to the denial of the divinity of Christ.
Pure nonsense IMO. Mary get just as much status as the rest of us. She is likely seated with Christ in Heaven just as the rest of us are.
The denial of the divinity of Christ usually has nothing whatsoever with the person we all respect - Mary His mother.
No matter how liberal Catholic theologians may be they do not deny the divinity of Christ. .
The devil believes in the divinity of Christ - so what?
How could they deny the divinity of Christ if they believe in the Mary being the mother of God.
They cannot and obviously do not.
But large segment of liberal Protestantism denies the deity of Christ. Look at the Unitarians. And the founders of the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, non-Trinitarian Adventism and Christian Science were once Protestants. See
The Rise of Protestant Liberalism | Tabletalk for liberal Protestant theologians who denied the deity of Christ.
But large segment of liberal Protestantism denies the deity of Christ. Look at the Unitarians. And the founders of the Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, non-Trinitarian Adventism and Christian Science were once Protestants. See
The Rise of Protestant Liberalism | Tabletalk for liberal Protestant theologians who denied the deity of Christ.
Absolutely right.
There is a Catholic saying: Know Mary, know Jesus; no Mary, no Jesus. The less we see of Mary the less we see of Jesus.
Obviously no Mary, no Jesus, Unless of course God had placed His special favor on Jane instead of Mary.
The second statement is simply silly. Like John the Baptist - she would certainly desire to decrease that the Lord might increase. Being the Godly person she is - she would no doubt agree wholeheartedly.
But having a high view of Mary gives us an even higher view of God.
Not necessarily.
Mary said that her soul magnifies the Lord (
Luke 1:46). When I say "praise Mary!", she then says "
PRAISE JESUS"!
What a silly twisting of the scriptures.
When I think of her sinlessness, I think of the awesome majesty and purity of God. God cannot stand sin at all. It is repugnant to Him. He was not going to tolerate being in the womb of a sinful woman for nine months. No way! She must be pure as He is pure. When I think of the perpetual virginity, I again think of the utter holiness of God. No sinful man could approach the habitation of God. The ark of the covenant contained the Ten Commandments. No man could open it or even touch it! It was holy. How much more could no sinful man touch the woman who bore God! Joseph feared God too much to ever try this! All this made me see God in all His holiness. And it showed me His love.
Pure heresy. Mary would be turning ove in her grave if she could.
He did not just impregnate her and then after cast herself aside and just treated her like one of her servants.
No ones says He did. Read His words from the cross to her and to the Apostle John.
No. First of all, the angel did not come to announce to her that she will be pregnant with the Son of God. Gabriel come to propose. To impregnate her without her permission would be rape! Instead, she must consent. She could freely say "yes" or "no". God gave Adman and Eve a free will. They chose to say "no". Think of all of the hardships in this fallen world because of their "no" to God. But whereas Eve said "yes" to the devil Mary said "yes" to the angel. As Even contributed to our fall, Mary contributed to our redemption. In a small way, yes, compared to what Jesus did. But she contributed. If she had said "no" to the angel then maybe God had an alternate plan. Or maybe not. Maybe her disobedience would be the last straw for God, and He will let us perish in our sins. After all, He did not come to redeem the devil and his demons. He did not have to save us. Or maybe, since God is outside of time, He knew beforehand that Mary would say yes. Whatever! I imagine that all the angels were waiting to hear her answer.
Not that you surprise me - giving as much authority to traditions as the Word of God as you group does. But this simply goes beyond what the scriptures tell us.
He will always treat her like His beloved mother. He crowned her as the Queen of Heaven - with twelve stars as a crown on her head and clothed with the sun (Son) . See
Revelation 12. What love He had for her! It gives me comfort that He treats His mother the way we would expect a good son to treat his own mother. It comforts me in knowing that I, too, will be loved - not in the same way but I will still be loved. So Mary has not detracted away my love for Christ. Instead, she has magnified it.
You have obviously been taught not only what is not in the scriptures but in some respect out and out heresy.
God cannot stand sin at all. It is repugnant to Him. He was not going to tolerate being in the womb of a sinful woman for nine months. No way! She must be pure as He is pure. When I think of the perpetual virginity, I again think of the utter holiness of God.
If she was sinless she would not have had to bring the offering for atonement specified in Leviticus 12:8 which was spelled out for us in Luke chapter 2 that she did.
The perpetual virginity of Mary is so un biblical as not even deserve further comment.
Your leaders have led you astray.
No doubt Catholics will agree with your assessment. No doubt most believers in the authority of the scriptures will reject your assessment.
No need to get back to me. Since you will be guided by scripture alone it would be like casting pearls before swine (no offense - it's just a term the Lord coined for us - you'll find it in the scriptures along with the other things I have pointed out to you)
I just wanted the opportunity to tell you that your beliefs are not only not correct but that you teaching them to other believers will garner you a more strict judgment than if you had kept themselves between you and the leaders of your cult.
