Marx, Wilberforce, Hitler, their social policies?

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Wilberforce ended slavery in England, that's in great part to Dr. Stanley Livingston. Marx and Hitler were into a tyrannical national socialism and envisioned empires expanding their powers, and literally enslaving the world. I don't think anyone in this day and age are admiring those who would enslave the world, I think that admiration should be reserved for someone who did his part to end it.
 
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Wilberforce ended slavery in England, that's in great part to Dr. Stanley Livingston. Marx and Hitler were into a tyrannical national socialism and envisioned empires expanding their powers, and literally enslaving the world. I don't think anyone in this day and age are admiring those who would enslave the world, I think that admiration should be reserved for someone who did his part to end it.
Yes, but aspects of Hitler's and Russia's ideas are seemingly now accepted. A life not worth living, with the new thing, abortion, and free health care, rejecting the Jews, social ideas in regards to the economy.
 
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Yes, but aspects of Hitler's and Russia's ideas are seemingly now accepted. A life not worth living, with the new thing, abortion, and free health care, rejecting the Jews, social ideas in regards to the economy.
Abortion is nothing new, in Rome if a girl was born the father could take her out into a field and leave her to die. The first century church called that murder. In China a father who had a daughter could drowned a daughter in a bucket, missionaries aware of this practice were absolutely livid. We have had that fight before. As far as health care the entire free world has it and seems to be getting along fine. Taxes go way up and the rich don't get to be as rich as they like, but health care is taken care of.
 
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Of Marx, Wilberforce and Hitler, how did they compare on economic and social policy? How are they admired presently in government policies?
Let's start with their religious convictions. Marx said "Religion is the opium of the masses". I believe he was originally from a Jewish family that converted to Lutheranism but he became atheist by the time he wrote the manifesto. Evey Communist government has been atheistic technically although they often view the state as God. Wilberforce's religious convictions were driving force behind his abolitionism. Hitler's religious convictions are hard to pin down. In public he used the Bible to rally the Christian Germany on his side but in his private conversations with advisors and such, he did not like CHristianity or the church, but as a politician, could not outright oppose them. Of course he executed Christians that got in his way (Bonhoeffer comes to mind). Economic policy: Marx's stated goal was that everyone owned everything collectively, however in reality communism has always been the state owning everything. Hitler's goal was a mixed economy any he did try to mix socialist and capitalist ideas, so you had industry in Nazi Germany but is was highly regulated and often directly overseen by the government. I don't know about Wilberforce's economic ideas. Hitler is not admired by most. There are some groups that admire Marx and will insist al the communism we have seen in the word thus far is "not real communism". Wilberforce is rightly admired for his abolitionism, although he is not well known by many.
 
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