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Deuteronomy 24:1. When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house.

Did the Law of Moses support the covenant of marriage, or provide a means to break the covenant?
Was not Messiah questioned on this very issue?

Matthew 19:
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him,
Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?
4 And He answered and said to them, Have you not read that He who made them
at the beginning made them male and female,
5 and said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
and the two shall become one flesh’?
6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together,
let not man separate.
7 They said to Him, Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce,
and to put her away?
8 He said to them, Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you
to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Notice they say Moses commanded the giving of a certificate of divorce, while Yeshua
corrects them in saying that he permitted.


So, was the Law given for a man to be righteous, or for a man to be unrighteous?
To protect the covenant, or break the vow?
The Law allowed the breaking of the vow, NOT protecting the vow.
The Law allowed the hard of heart to act in unrighteousness,
against what God intended from the beginning.


No other vow received such a concession.
Only the refraining from making vows.


Deuteronomy 23:
21 When you make a vow to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it;
for the Lord your God will surely require it of you, and it would be sin to you.
22 But if you abstain from a vow, it shall not be sin to you.
23 That which has gone from your lips you shall keep and perform, for you voluntarily
vowed to the Lord your God what you have promised with your mouth.

Numbers 30:2. If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul
with a bond
; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth
out of his mouth.

This is supported by Yeshua.
Matthew 5:

33 Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not swear falsely,
but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.
34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 But let your Yes be Yes, and your No, No. For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.


For the record, the “Laws of Marriage” were established long before Moses
as a family matter, as Yeshua said, marriage was “from the beginning.”


As an example:
Genesis 38:8. And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her,
and raise up seed to thy brother.
 

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Deuteronomy 24:1. When a man takes a wife and marries her, and it happens that she finds no favor in his eyes because he has found some uncleanness in her, and he writes her a certificate of divorce, puts it in her hand, and sends her out of his house.

Did the Law of Moses support the covenant of marriage, or provide a means to break the covenant?
Was not Messiah questioned on this very issue?

Matthew 19:
3 The Pharisees also came to Him, testing Him, and saying to Him,
Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for just any reason?
4 And He answered and said to them, Have you not read that He who made them
at the beginning made them male and female,
5 and said, For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,
and the two shall become one flesh’?
6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together,
let not man separate.
7 They said to Him, Why then did Moses command to give a certificate of divorce,
and to put her away?
8 He said to them, Moses, because of the hardness of your hearts, permitted you
to divorce your wives, but from the beginning it was not so.

Notice they say Moses commanded the giving of a certificate of divorce, while Yeshua
corrects them in saying that he permitted.


So, was the Law given for a man to be righteous, or for a man to be unrighteous?
To protect the covenant, or break the vow?
The Law allowed the breaking of the vow, NOT protecting the vow.
The Law allowed the hard of heart to act in unrighteousness,
against what God intended from the beginning.


No other vow received such a concession.
Only the refraining from making vows.


Deuteronomy 23:
21 When you make a vow to the Lord your God, you shall not delay to pay it;
for the Lord your God will surely require it of you, and it would be sin to you.
22 But if you abstain from a vow, it shall not be sin to you.
23 That which has gone from your lips you shall keep and perform, for you voluntarily
vowed to the Lord your God what you have promised with your mouth.

Numbers 30:2. If a man vow a vow unto the LORD, or swear an oath to bind his soul
with a bond
; he shall not break his word, he shall do according to all that proceedeth
out of his mouth.

This is supported by Yeshua.
Matthew 5:


33 Again you have heard that it was said to those of old, You shall not swear falsely,
but shall perform your oaths to the Lord.

34 But I say to you, do not swear at all: neither by heaven, for it is God’s throne;
35 nor by the earth, for it is His footstool; nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King.
36 Nor shall you swear by your head, because you cannot make one hair white or black.
37 But let your Yes be Yes, and your No, No. For whatever is more than these is from the evil one.


For the record, the “Laws of Marriage” were established long before Moses
as a family matter, as Yeshua said, marriage was “from the beginning.”


As an example:
Genesis 38:8.
And Judah said unto Onan, Go in unto thy brother's wife, and marry her,
and raise up seed to thy brother.
I am pretty sure that out of all the married Christians that post on this forum...no less than a third of them are remarried in adultery as according to the word of God.

And you can walk into any good size church on any given Sunday and it will be the same.
 
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Many are deserted by unbelievers and are free to remarry.
That is what you get when you marry out of the will of God.

It is a no brainier.

With God you have it all.

With out God...you are deserted by your unbelieving spouse.
 
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This is pretty clear from 1 Cor 7.

Baring in mind that Paul is addressing these issues due to the circumstances of persecution that prevailed. V 26

V 15 states a believer is no longer bound, but released, when an unbeliever leaves a marriage for any reason.

V 17 states that Paul expects individual believers will be led in these matters according to God's assignment. This is important because Paul recognizes that the right course of action is not a 'one size fits all' directive, but rather an individual matter between the believer and God.

V 27 Clearly gives advice to those released from a wife and his best advice because of the prevailing persecution is to stay single.

V 28 However again this is not a binding directive as he goes on to say but if you should marry you have not sinned !!! But because of persecution it will likely not be easy.

I dont claim to have the technical background other posters seem to have but from the viewpoint of accepting scripture at 'face value' Paul is wonderfully understanding and leaves room for folks to make choices before God without condemnation which is a far cry from the legalistic demands of many posters on this topic.
 
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Ephesians 5:
22 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord.
23 For the husband is head of the wife, as also Christ is head of the church; and He is
the Savior of the body.
24 Therefore, just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own
husbands in everything.
25 Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her,
26 that He might sanctify and cleanse her with the washing of water by the word,
27 that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or
any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish.
28 So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife
loves himself.
29 For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as the Lord
the church.
30 For we are members of His body, of His flesh and of His bones.
31 “For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and
the two shall become one flesh.”
32 This is a great mystery, but I speak concerning Christ and the church.
33 Nevertheless let each one of you in particular so love his own wife as himself,
and let the wife see that she respects her husband.
 
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