Marriage and the Left

[Chesterton]

A good short video from the great Thomas Sowell. The title should suffice as a synopsis.

 

[cow451]

NM

 

[Justin-H.S.]

Economic and ideological:

 

[rusmeister]

The voice sounds canned. Not like Sowell's.

I got GKC's "The Superstition of Divorce" (1920) translated into Russian. It took 5 years, and a small team of people, but now Russians can read it. He predicted all of this when no one else could have imagined it, when GB Shaw was depicting marriage as a prison or cage in his plays, but no one seriously thought that marriage was under any serious attack. He foresaw all of this. Everything these guys are saying, he was way ahead of. He even identifies the interested parties in breaking up the family. "Hudge and Gudge", Big Government and Big Business and their partnership, pretended hostility to each other, and their war on the ordinary man, Jones, makes sense not only of modern economics, but also of modern politics.

GK said, "Without the family (father-mother-child, bonded for life), we are helpless before the state."

A short article on that book:
https://www.chesterton.org/lecture-33/

And the book itself, free online:
http://www.gkc.org.uk/gkc/books/divorce.txt

If you've never read Chesterton before, good luck! And perseverance!

And if anyone has ever read it, a shout-out would be great!

 

[ArmyMatt]

Lord have mercy

 

[gzt]

It's probably more useful to focus on what you believe rather than what you think they people you think are opposed to you believe.

And probably shouldn't listen to Doug Wilson about anything.

 

[ArmyMatt]

The voice sounds canned. Not like Sowell's.

yeah, that was someone quoting Sowell, I believe.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

 

[Chesterton]

He foresaw all of this. Everything these guys are saying, he was way ahead of.

As for prognostication, nothing beats the passage in Orthodoxy which includes "The modern world is full of the old [isolated] Christian virtues gone mad." It wasn't until I first heard people referring to SJW's that I got the full meaning.

And if anyone has ever read it, a shout-out would be great!

I haven't, but like everything else of his, it's on my list.

 

[rusmeister]

It's probably more useful to focus on what you believe rather than what you think they people you think are opposed to you believe.

I don’t agree at all. There are certainly some people opposed to us, and it behooves us very much to understand both what they believe and the effects of what they do if and when they believe wrongly. In wartime it’s called “understanding your enemy”, the most essential element in fighting him. We SHOULD be aware of the bad ideas that threaten to undermine our Faith, and recognize when people are promoting them, in or out of the Church.

And probably shouldn't listen to Doug Wilson about anything.

I’d be curious as to why, but I’d be more interested if you had any objections to the video Justin posted in post #3. While the video bears Wilson's name, the other fellow does all the talking, and by and large, barring a few minor inaccuracies, it seems to me that he talks sense.

In general, one can only refute Nietzsche, or Marx, or whoever, if one has read and rightly understood him. You can’t very well comment on the bad ideas if you don’t even know what they are. It is good to focus on our own beliefs, but not to the absolute exclusion of everything else; we live in the world, not in monasteries, and it behooves us to know what bad ideas are being slipped to us either through open ideology or subtly, through entertainment and general assumptions.

 

[Justin-H.S.]

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The Bible Belt is ironically some of the worse off.

 

[ArmyMatt]

The Bible Belt is ironically some of the worse off.

yeah, it can be bad in the rural South.

 

[gzt]

It's the fruit of the anti-Christian nature of political conservatism.

 

[ArmyMatt]

It's the fruit of the anti-Christian nature of political conservatism.

no. it’s the fruit of being anti-Christian. you see the same stuff in leftist inner cities.

 

[gzt]

There isn't any meaningful sense in which the inner cities are leftist.

 

[rusmeister]

There isn't any meaningful sense in which the inner cities are leftist.

I think Fr Matt's meaning is clearer if we say "Leftist-run inner cities".

 

[ArmyMatt]

There isn't any meaningful sense in which the inner cities are leftist.

there also isn’t any meaningful sense of saying it’s the fruit of anti-Christian political conservatism. I know many political conservatives who oppose the amorality which leads to those stats one can see in the rural south.

that’s why I said it’s the fruit of being anti-Christian.

 

[ArmyMatt]

I think Fr Matt's meaning is clearer if we say "Leftist-run inner cities".

yep, that would have been clearer, thanks rus.

 

[Chesterton]

It's the fruit of the anti-Christian nature of political conservatism.

Care to elaborate on what this means exactly? If so, please address actual conservatism and not the evil cartoon caricature you've learned from television and Hollywood all your life.

There isn't any meaningful sense in which the inner cities are leftist.

Of the top 20 largest cities in America, 18 of them have mayors who are Democrats. The other two, in Florida and Texas, have RINOs. My personal favorite is San Francisco. I'm thinking of moving there to reduce my cost of living. They've basically turned "thou shalt not steal" into "go for it, we all deserve to steal". Which sounds like a law in Hell, if Hell has laws.

But maybe you're right. Maybe we should just say the inner cities are the fruit of the anti-Christian nature of Leftism.

 

[rusmeister]

I think a good definition of the essence of what makes up what we call the Left is an alliance of coastal elites; the institutionally educated (the education system being controlled by them) and the wealthy, upper and upper-middle classes, the big business owners now thoroughly on their side. It didn’t use to be that way. “Conventional wisdom” saw the latter as being historically conservative. But it is clearly no longer the case, as they now are a main driving force of “wokeness”, of imposing sexual anarchy and radical socialist/communist ideas on the general public. Disney has bought much of the entertainment industry and is hell-bent on pushing the sexualization of children’s entertainment. Far from being grass -roots, “Pride Month” is aggressively pushed by the big businesses.

So in short, the college grads, professors and admin provide the ideology which approves of the anarchy the rich want for themselves, so the rich fund them. Shut down centralized education and centralized certification of teachers, return schools and colleges to purely local control and local libraries, cancel your Netflix and Disney Plus subscriptions, patronize small local businesses rather than the big ones that undercut them, and pursue other strategies to keep wealth local and in the community, and leftism will be choked, certainly weakened.