Mark of the beast?

[Bungle_Bear]

Are you saying that there is no such thing as a conspiracy?

No, I'm asking which conspiracies you think are real. I assume you don't hold with any bible conspiracy theories yet you seem to think there is an Illuminati-type world order messing with global economy and scientific studies.

 

[Born to Watch]

No, I'm asking which conspiracies you think are real. I assume you don't hold with any bible conspiracy theories yet you seem to think there is an Illuminati-type world order messing with global economy and scientific studies.

Insipid writer, you pretend to draw for your readers
The portraits of your 3 impostors;
How is it that, witlessly, you have become the fourth?
Why, poor enemy of the supreme essence,
Do you confuse Mohammed and the Creator,
And the deeds of man with God, his author?...
Criticize the servant, but respect the master.
God should not suffer for the stupidity of the priest:
Let us recognize this God, although he is poorly served.

 

[Argy Lacedom]

BtW is obviously pathologically incapable of answering a question, no matter how reasonable.

AL

 

[Bungle_Bear]

But he thinks he's clever quoting Voltaire.

Je vois venir de loin ces temps, ces jours sereins,
Où la philosophie, éclairant les humains,
Doit les conduire en paix aux pieds du commun maître;
Le fanatisme affreux tremblera d'y paraître:
On aura moins de dogme avec plus de vertu.

 

[Argy Lacedom]

Ha Ha! Touche!

 

[Tahoenite]

THe problem with this sort of thing is that so many quacks get involved - all claiming they have the "one true interpretationn".

None of them so far has proven to be correct. That makes us all sceptical of any new claims.

So my challenge to you is - prove it!

AL

It just seems to me that if someone was willing to accept the mark and with it the wrath of God, I really don't believe it will just wash off.

 

[Born to Watch]

But he thinks he's clever quoting Voltaire.

Je vois venir de loin ces temps, ces jours sereins,
Où la philosophie, éclairant les humains,
Doit les conduire en paix aux pieds du commun maître;
Le fanatisme affreux tremblera d'y paraître:
On aura moins de dogme avec plus de vertu.

Wow BB you are now learning the meaning of Christianity via Voltare. Praise God.

Hey BB, its none of your business what conspiracys I believe or have an interest in. I dont have to answer your silly questions, I am under no obligations to you

You watch what happens and if at some stage the government tells you to accept a mark, or you wont be able to trade. Well? Do as thou wilt.
This was a warning.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

BtW, do you see yourself more as a Winston Smith or an O'Brien?

Quite funny that you really do live in Oceania

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Wow BB you are now learning the meaning of Christianity via Voltare. Praise God.

Voltaire was writing a satire. Maybe you missed that? He was also a non-believer but he recognised the value of Christianity in keeping certain sections of society in order. If that's the meaning of Christianity then maybe Voltaire is a good source - but I'm surprised you think so.

 

[Argy Lacedom]

You watch what happens and if at some stage the government tells you to accept a mark, or you wont be able to trade. Well? Do as thou wilt.
This was a warning.

Well, that has actually happened (and been in place since federation).

It's called a tax file number.

Does that qualify as the mark of the beast? Over to you...

(see, even I can join in this madness!)
AL

 

[Born to Watch]

16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Now tell me Argy with all your wisdom, does that sound like the Australian tax file number? Seriously?

Say yes and justify your madness

 

[Born to Watch]

Voltaire was writing a satire. Maybe you missed that? He was also a non-believer but he recognised the value of Christianity in keeping certain sections of society in order. If that's the meaning of Christianity then maybe Voltaire is a good source - but I'm surprised you think so.

I think Voltaire may well have been anti catholic as opposed to atheist, but I will leave that for you to decide for yourself

Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him


This statement by Voltaire was so famous that Flaubert included it in his Dictionnaire des idées reçues, and it is still frequently quoted today. But where does it first appear? And what precisely did Voltaire mean when he wrote it? Does it imply, as most of Voltaire's parrots seems to suppose, that God is a fictitious being, created for the comfort of the human race?
In its original form, the statement first appeared in a verse epistle from 1768, addressed to the anonymous author of a controversial work, The Three Impostors. According to Voltaire, this was a virulently atheistic text that denied the existence of a divine being. He found that this was an extremely dangerous work since it put into question a notion that was very useful for society: the idea that criminals would be punished in the afterlife. Thus, even when policing was insufficient, there was a strong deterrent against crime.

In this poem, Voltaire develops in a general way the idea that the existence of God (or the belief therein) helps establish social order. He then goes on to boast of his own role in eliminating prejudice and injustice in the eighteenth century. In its final sections, the poem turns to personal satire, as Voltaire attacks some of his favorite enemies.

As such, the text shows many of Voltaire's complexities, both in his philosophy and in his personality. Although he attacked the abuses of the Catholic Church throughout his life, he also spoke as a defender of religion

Voltaire, Epître sur Les Trois Imposteurs

As for Smith and Obrien, dont know dont care.
Cheers

 

[Bungle_Bear]

I think Voltaire may well have been anti catholic as opposed to atheist, but I will leave that for you to decide for yourself

Si Dieu n'existait pas, il faudrait l'inventer
If God did not exist, it would be necessary to invent him


This statement by Voltaire was so famous that Flaubert included it in his Dictionnaire des idées reçues, and it is still frequently quoted today. But where does it first appear? And what precisely did Voltaire mean when he wrote it? Does it imply, as most of Voltaire's parrots seems to suppose, that God is a fictitious being, created for the comfort of the human race?
In its original form, the statement first appeared in a verse epistle from 1768, addressed to the anonymous author of a controversial work, The Three Impostors. According to Voltaire, this was a virulently atheistic text that denied the existence of a divine being. He found that this was an extremely dangerous work since it put into question a notion that was very useful for society: the idea that criminals would be punished in the afterlife. Thus, even when policing was insufficient, there was a strong deterrent against crime.

In this poem, Voltaire develops in a general way the idea that the existence of God (or the belief therein) helps establish social order. He then goes on to boast of his own role in eliminating prejudice and injustice in the eighteenth century. In its final sections, the poem turns to personal satire, as Voltaire attacks some of his favorite enemies.

As such, the text shows many of Voltaire's complexities, both in his philosophy and in his personality. Although he attacked the abuses of the Catholic Church throughout his life, he also spoke as a defender of religion

Voltaire, Epître sur Les Trois Imposteurs

Don't you think you should acknowledge the source of your apparent wisdom (http://www.whitman.edu/VSA/trois.imposteurs.html)? Next time at least try to pretend you understand what you are talking about.

I didn't say Voltaire was atheist, I said he didn't believe in your God. Perhaps if you actually read, digested and understood what's written on that website you would have worked that out for yourself. You are a truly deceptive person, BtW. Shame on you once again.

 

[Argy Lacedom]

16 He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hand or on their foreheads,

17 and that no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

18 Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man: His number is 666.

Now tell me Argy with all your wisdom, does that sound like the Australian tax file number? Seriously?

Say yes and justify your madness

My proposition is at least as likley as all the hair brained ideas put about in all the forums I've been on.

AL

 

[Argy Lacedom]

Don't you think you should acknowledge the source of your apparent wisdom (http://www.whitman.edu/VSA/trois.imposteurs.html)? Next time at least try to pretend you understand what you are talking about.

I didn't say Voltaire was atheist, I said he didn't believe in your God. Perhaps if you actually read, digested and understood what's written on that website you would have worked that out for yourself. You are a truly deceptive person, BtW. Shame on you once again.

This is not the first time BtW has pagerised someone else's work. But I have developed a good test of when he's doing it. If it sounds reasonable and coherent it's someone else's.

AL

 

[Born to Watch]

Hmmm Pagerising??
I am content to link a website, if its to difficult from there for you poor fellas to work out where the text comes from, I shall to allow that reflect on your ability.
This is a recreational forum, I dont have to play by your rules.
Your arrogance and pretentiousness is better served somewhere else.

You are welcome to play the Uni educated theologian, though it reeks of inferiority to me. Just a try hard trying too hard to be noticed.

 

[Born to Watch]

My proposition is at least as likley as all the hair brained ideas put about in all the forums I've been on.

AL

Thats what I like about you Argy.
Your ability to comment based on pure and total ignorance.

I accept you dont agree, accept you are opposed, so tell me why are you involved in this discussion.
You propose something about something you dont believe. Is that insane or just mere foolishness or do you have another motive?

 

[Argy Lacedom]

Hmmm Pagerising??
I am content to link a website, if its to difficult from there for you poor fellas to work out where the text comes from, I shall to allow that reflect on your ability.
This is a recreational forum, I dont have to play by your rules.
Your arrogance and pretentiousness is better served somewhere else.

You are welcome to play the Uni educated theologian, though it reeks of inferiority to me. Just a try hard trying too hard to be noticed.

It is a matter of honesty. By not attributing it to its source you are pretending you wrote it. That's dishonest. It takes no time to provide a link or to give credit to the real author.

Don't be dishonest in future.

AL

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Hmmm Pagerising??
I am content to link a website, if its to difficult from there for you poor fellas to work out where the text comes from, I shall to allow that reflect on your ability.
This is a recreational forum, I dont have to play by your rules.
Your arrogance and pretentiousness is better served somewhere else.

You are welcome to play the Uni educated theologian, though it reeks of inferiority to me. Just a try hard trying too hard to be noticed.

As Argy said, attribution of such a large piece of text is a matter of honesty. If it were a couple of words that wouldn't be a problem. You could even try re-writing it in your own words. Of course you are right that you don't have to play by our rules here but you should play by the forum's rules. And those include this one:

"Members shall not make posts which violate the copyrights of others or promote another work as your own."

Stop with the dishonesty and try answering a question yourself. And remember there is no shame in admitting you don't know.

 

[FreeinChrist]

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