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Featured Mark of the beast, Anti-Christ and False Prophet Discussion.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Newbeliever123, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Well-Known Member Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    You posted the article not me.
     
  2. Newbeliever123

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    I see, you like to quote out of context; not a good way to have intellectual discussions.
     
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    Well if Trump helps to rebuild the temple in Jerusalem then we’ll know.
     
  5. tranquil

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    There are so many preterist shills and posters out to confuse the readers, it hardly seems worth the effort to post. So, good job. I think people have to accept that there are posters that actively work against finding answers. Or if they aren't actively against learning, they are so puffed up with themselves, it amounts to the same thing. Don't know which is worse.

    Anyway, I agree with most of what you have posted. The microchip is indeed Biblical, see Isaiah 36:6. The chip is the 'splinter' & the needle is the 'broken reed that pierces the skin'. If Hosea 9:11 is any guide, the vaccination will be used to sterilize the public.
     
  6. Newbeliever123

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    Thankyou for taking the time to notice who is the one having a source backed content discussion, compared to someone who is misquoting texts to serve their needs of their personal thought patterns, this type of behaviour, is like you say, negative to intellectual progression of any discussion.

    I did not know about the Hosea 9:11, but it is interesting that it lines up with my personal findings.

    Bill Gates; whom is the forefront promoter of the ID microchips being implanted with the vaccine, seems to be insistent that the vaccines that will save lives, are going to lead to a global population REDUCTION... Just how this is scientifically valid, I do not know.

     
  7. Nancy2

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    Hello Newbeliever123,
    I am new here too so hello.
    My take on the beast etc, has come mainly through listening to Joel Richardson on YouTube. He and others have convinced me that the the beast in revelation and the statue of Daniel are the kingdoms that have ruled the middle East since early history namely, Egyptian, Assyrian, Babylonian, Medo-persia, Grecian, Roman and finally the last two in Revelation. Joel Richardson and others, I believe rightly, say that the Islamic Caliphate (leading into the Ottoman Empire) is the penultimate beast.
    The last beast empire will be a revived Ottoman Empire. This is the beast that had a head that was slain and that was cured. It is the beast that will have authority for 42 months or 3 and a half years. Revelation also says that all who don't worship the wild beast will be killed.
    Then it will cause all to take the mark of the beast.
    In my literal translation of the new testament is says "an emblem on their right or forehead"
    A chip surely would go in the hand, not on. This is my view not others.
    The beast kingdom has to be one that persecuted the Jews and that was ruling after babylon as in Nebachadnezzers dream of the statue. The Ottoman Empire fits perfectly with Turkey as it's head. Hope this helps a bit.
    Nancy2
     
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    Just to be clear, I am on the same page as you. But as far as the often quoted Gates saying that he wants to 'reduce the population' is a bit unfair to his position. I read the book where he said that, and people are unfairly taking it out of context. He was saying that in countries with a high infant mortality rate, vaccines could reduce the infant mortality rate, and by extension lower the birthrate. Couples in these countries have more children to compensate for the fact that many of their children would die in infancy. If less of their children would die at a young age, then couples would feel safe to have less children, thus lowering the birth rate.

    All that said, I think it is fair to say that the elites are interested in reducing the population. Having control over their citizens bodies would be a step to ensuring this.
     
  9. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Hi Newbeliever123 and welcome to the forum. I am 71 and have around 50 years pursuring the subject matter you are pursuring as well.

    Here is a chart I made of the last 7 years, and it doesn't begin until after the Gog/Magog event in Ezekiel 39/39. The person you are trying to determine - has to come out of Europe, be a Jew, and his religion Judaism. I have not identified the specific person yet. It's not Trump though.

    The 666, mark (of his name), the person's name requirement to buy/sell is as a minimum 3 years plus away.

    What to look for first is some structural realignment in the EU government - for ten leaders with one leader over them.

    On my chart, the red line is the critical path of events to Jesus return. Go through and read all of the bible passage references on the chart. It will help you. You can click on the chart to make it bigger.


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  10. Douggg

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    The virus is not the rapture.

    The rapture is a change to a higher state of life of the body (bypassing experiencing death). Differently, the virus causes death, destruction of the body.

    The rapture (1Thessalonians4:15-18) is the translation of the living (Christians) into everlasting/supernatural bodies.

    At the same time of the rapture, a split second prior to it, all of the dead bodies of past Christians are redeemed as well. Whatever is in the grave come backs to life in supernatural form. And both groups ascend from the earth, to meet Jesus, in the realm beyond the earth.

    All of that change, passing through physical barriers, and leaving this world - take place in a twinkling of a eye. Essentially, it will be a dumbfounding disappearance - to them left behind.
     
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  11. Newbeliever123

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    Yeah this makes sense, thanks for clarifying, i was unsure how this would work, but this does, in theory, make sense.
     
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    This is interesting, do you have any scripture that relates to this please?
     
  13. Douggg

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    Yes, but it takes some background basics.

    it is important to understand the functional role of the Anti"Christ". The word is a combination of a prefix meaning against (and/or) instead of.... plus the term "christ". In the case of the person we are researching both against and instead of (Jesus the true Christ).

    So first, we have to learn about the function role of the "christ" before adding "anti" to it.

    In John 4:25, we get "Christ" and "Messiah" - as being the same.

    Messiah, in its very basic hebrew meaning means anointed. Anointed meaning chosen by God to do a certain function... such as the kings and priests were anointeds. Cyrus, the king of Persia, was also called an anointed.

    "the" messiah, however, is a special anointed in the new testament, and to the Jews of Jesus's times, culturally meant the promised great King of Israel descended from King David, to lead Israel and the world into the messianic age of peace and safety (a thing the Antichrist will lead the world into falsely thinking , see 1Thessalonians5:3 on my chart).

    "Christ the King of Israel" the scribes and pharisees mocked Jesus on the cross, rejecting him as "the" messiah. Mark 15:32

    Four days earlier, Jesus rode into Jerusalem riding the donkey, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9. And hailed as the King of israel - coming in the name of the Lord- i.e. anointed by God - as his followers shouted, and the crowd packed the streets. John 12:12-15. That event is celebrated as Psalms Sunday, in Christian tradition.

    Days later, after the plot by the scribes and Pharisees to kill Jesus, when Pilate said to the crowd - Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. John19:15

    That day, the Jews and Jerusalem rejected Jesus as their King of Israel, messiah. But there is some subtle prophecy connection in "we have no king but Caesar" as I will explain later more about the person we are researching... he will be descended from the Caesar family as well as being a Jew.

    In John 5:45, Jesus is inferring to the person who will become the Antichrist, someone coming in his own name, but not someone chosen by God to be their King of Israel messiah - a Jew descended from King David.

    So the person (the coming Antichrist) has to be a Jew for the Jews to temporarily believe he is the messiah.

    I will make a follow up post(s) because this is too much for one post.
     
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    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    So from my previous post, the person must be a Jew to become the Antichrist.

    Would you address the Prime Minister of England as the Mayor of London ? No you would not because the functional roles are completely different.

    There is similitude in the person we are researching, regarding functional role, that he will be in at different times.

    The Antichrist functional role is only for when he is the King of Israel, not for other times in his path to his destruction. This is very important to remember and keep in mind.

    King of the Roman Empire (in the little horn, beast roles). King of Israel (in the Antichrist role).
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    The person starts out in Daniel 7 in the fourth empire (the end time version), which in John's day in Revelation was the Roman Empire.

    The EU is functionally the Roman Empire, and in Daniel 9:26, the prince who shall come, is of the people who destroyed the temple and city, i.e. the Romans.

    So we already know he has to be a Jew, and also a Roman.

    In Revelation 17:10 there are 7 kings related to each other. Five fallen, one is, and one yet to come (of John's day). By research those kings are of what is called the Julio-Claudian family - i.e the Caesars.

    Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar. John19:15

    The five fallen were Julius Caesar, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius. The one is, Nero. The one yet to come, king 7, the little horn person.

    Look at my chart in the upper left corner - the little horn person annotated.

    So he will be coming from the EU, north and west of Israel, into the middle east with a strong army. Daniel 8:9. This will be following Gog/Magog. Under the guise of peace keeper.

    The Jews as that time will think the person is the messiah. Many in Judaism expect the messianic age to begin following Gog/Magog.

    See my opening post in my thread on Bible prophecy fundamentals regarding Ezekiel 39. It is short, but important, because it gives the beginning and ending to the period we are concerning with understanding. With 100% certainty, I might add.

    Bible prophecy fundamentals

     
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    So far we have the person as a Jew and also descended from the Julio-Claudian bloodline. The king of the Roman Empire (end times). And, when the Antichrist, he is the King of Israel; but not someone God chose to be their king.

    A little background is necessary regarding the King of Israel. Israel in it united state, before breaking up into two nations following Solomon, has had only three kings. Each anointed king by a prophet.

    Saul and David, by Samuel. Solomon, by Nathan.

    The Jews, Judaism, believe that the messiah will be anointed King of Israel by a known prophet. They also believe that Elijah will come right before the messianic age.

    In Revelation 13, we are told about a false prophet. But what we are revealed about him only pertains to after the person has become the beast - which will be after the Jews reject him as continuing as their King of Israel.

    So we have to extrapolate the information we have to project what is going to happen, as far as, the anointing of the person to become the King of Israel. The false prophet in Revelation 13 comes out of the earth - which is often interpreted as coming out of Israel. While coming out of the sea is considered coming out of the nations.

    The false prophet in Revelation 13 produces miracles such as calling fire down from heaven. A hint that he will claim to be Elijah.

    So in the years not mentioned in the bible about him, we can assume him to be initially perceived by the Jews as Elijah.

    And he will be the one who anoints the prince who shall come (Daniel 9:26) from the EU, into the middle east following Gog/Magog - as the King of Israel. Setting up the messianic age (false) that the Jews and the world will fall into the trap of thinking....

    Before he betrays the Jews after about 3 years, by going into the temple and claiming to have achieved God-hood. 2Thessalonians2:4. Revealing himself to be the man of sin - and not the messiah.

    That will end his time as the Antichrist King of of Israel role - as the Jews will reject him and his claim.

    More on why he will be a Jew in my next post.
     
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    Picking up where the person has revealed himself to be the man of sin, by going into the temple, sitting (very important to note), claiming to have achieved God-hood.

    God will be sorely displeased and Ezekiel 28:1-10 has the person killed for his act. The act is called the transgression of desolation in Daniel 8:11-14.

    Remember Ezekiel and Daniel lived the same time, in Babylonian captivity. Ezekiel by the river Chebar, north of Babylon. And Daniel in Babylon itself.

    God gave part of the end times prophecies through Ezekiel and part through Daniel.

    In Ezekiel 28, the use of code names refer to the person we are researching (as the prince of tyre) verses 1-10 ; while the king of tyre in verse 12-19 is a code name for Satan.

    In Ezekiel 28:2


    2 Son of man, say unto the prince of Tyrus, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thine heart is lifted up, and thou hast said, I am a God, I sit in the seat of God, in the midst of the seas; yet thou art a man, and not God, though thou set thine heart as the heart of God:

    3 Behold, thou art wiser than Daniel; there is no secret that they can hide from thee:

    So the person will think he has achieved God-hood, and thinking he has become God. In verse 3, God is mocking him for thinking he is so smart.

    We can note in Daniel 8:25, the person magnifies himself in his heart, as well.

    And in Daniel 8:23, he understands dark sentences, another way of saying occultic secrets. In Judaism mysticism, kabbalah, is just such a practice. So it is likely the person will be heavily into it. Which even the Jews says contains inherit dangers to possibly fall into.

    So God, in Ezekiel 28:7, is going to have the person killed. Which will pick up in Isaiah 14 of him finding himself (his soul in hell) before being brought back to life as part of God's plan to bring Satan's hold over the world to an end.

    That the person will be a Jew is indicted in Ezekiel 28:10, is that he will die the "death of the uncircumcised". A notice of separation from the people of Israel.

    A little background. Not being circumcised among the Israelite's, was considered by God as a major offense. And refusal would mean disassociated. There is an account about Moses not having had circumcised his child, and a tragedy almost happened because of it.

    In Exodus 4:21, Moses set out on his mission to return to Egypt, to free God's people from Pharaoh. But on the way to Egypt, in verses 24-25, God confronted Moses and that He was going to kill Moses (or his son, it is not totally clear imo) because he neglected to circumcise his son. So Zipporah did the task, avoiding the tragedy and scorned Moses for his neglect.

    So in my next post, I will pick up with the man of sin's soul in hell. More of why he will be a Jew.
     
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    Picking up from where the person (his soul) is sent down to the pit, Ezekiel 28:8.

    In Isaiah 14:16-20, the person finds his soul in hell. But let us not overlook that Isaiah 14:12-13 is about Satan as well. Verses 14-15, it gets blurred between about Satan and the man of sin.

    But verses 16-20 is about the man of sin that God has slain.

    So the person finds his soul in hell. And he is mocked by others there.

    Verse 18 indicates that his body still hasn't been put in a big memorial tomb - which it is calling a house - like other famous, infamous kings.

    So from that, we can gather the person's body is in the funeral review stage - something that is important to what is going to happen.

    In verse 19-20, is when God in disdain for the person cast his soul out of hell... i.e. brings him back to life.

    Which the person is likened to an abominable branch. Jesus was the righteous branch - descended from King David. Jeremiah 23:5

    That is an indication of the person being a Jew, and confirmed in verse 20 because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.

    Verse 20 says the person's body will not be buried, to join the other famous, infamous kings. So his body is still in the funeral review stage when he comes back to life.

    In Revelation 17:8b... and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

    So what is going to happen is that when the person is killed, there will be global news coverage of his funeral review, open casket, which he will come back to life, sit up, and gets out of the casket.

    Making it appear that his claim to have achieved God-hood, to the world, will appear true. In 2Thessalonians2:11, it says God will send strong delusion, to them predisposed to believe the person's big lie.

    So at the point of coming back to life, the person enters the beast role, and will be possessed by a disembodied spirit of some unidentified person of the past, currently in the bottomless pit in
    Revelation 17:8a

    8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition:.....


    In the beast role, the end times person we are tracking is the 8th king of the Roman Empire, Revelation 17:11, having been one of the seven, king 7, the little horn person.

    Initially the person becomes the leader of the EU in some sort of democratic process, as the little horn. Then after his brief time of about three years, as the Antichrist, King of Israel, he becomes the beast.

    Which for that 42 months, the ten EU leaders hand their kingdom, the EU, over to him in Revelation 17:12-13, and he essentially becomes dictator over the EU. For that last 42 months before Jesus Returns.

    The United States and Canada and England for that matter, will likely be allied with the EU, during that time, as well. But the bible doesn't say for certain.

    Hopefully, if you read my prior posts and study my chart, you will have a pretty good understanding of the end times.

    I did not address the 666, the mark (of his name, Revelation 14:11), his name - because I am not totally certain of what those are at this time.

    When the ten king kingdom, which I take to be the EU, becomes firmed, and one leader over them, who is a Jew, then we will have more to go on.

    This ends my series of posts. Please forgive any typographical and/or grammatical errors.
     
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    Thankyou for taking the time to write these posts, I have found them thoroughly informative and also in someways pleasurable to read.

    Alot of this information has given me slight relief that the endtimes are not as immediate as I once believed, but time is still of importance to prepare, and to be vigilant that it could be near.

    You seem to look upon the events and scriptures in a very parallel way to myself, although I am only at the beginning of my personal journey; the information that you have provided me with will stand me in good stead indefinitely.

    Again, Thankyou and God Bless!
     
  19. Nancy2

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    Hi ya
    I have a question for you douggg.
    How can the Roman empire, (aka,the EU) be the 6th,7th and 8th kingdoms? Also remember the statue in Daniel was literally standing over babylon and the on coming kingdoms. Nebachadnezzer wanted to know what kingdoms would follow his one not in some far off land. Also the Bible is concentrated mainly about the middle East as it effects Israel.
    Just a thought.
    Great topic Newbeliever123
     
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    Just want to point out that your interpretation of Revelation scriptures are very controversial here and there are few different interpretations that are more plausible
     
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