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Mark of the beast, Anti-Christ and False Prophet Discussion.

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Newbeliever123, Mar 27, 2020.

  1. Philip1993

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    The end times will be known by diminishing ways of life that make people believe races may be at an end.
    We will get wrapped up in our exploration of mankind forgetting final judgement upon individual way.

    Whether it is the current state of what we call a cow's way of life which some say judged as food instead of as an animal in today's living.. or if it artificial intelligence slowly accepting a way of life that is defined as humanity when there will always be a history of over 100 billion humans who have lived without technology in the open air like we do today. Way of life will be in the light of final judgement and if people realize the end of it is true.. it will be over instead of questionable occurrences that people simply don't agree with as final judgement calls with many things simply can go on forever and ever.

    If we start to act like robots with artificial intelligent implants or changing motor skills of a person into "perfect" and "stronger/better".. our way of life becomes obviously unnatural in large scale aspects. We will have to beg on our knees for the Lord above to forgive us and fight for His kingdom that sits with final judgement calls that we lost and seek, knowingly.

    Seeing stuff like this happening means final judgement is becoming in the air instead of personal/"incorporated" in life and world leaders who are blind will be set aside as truth and holy ways about what may follow helps us realize people think they know things when they don't. Power will not be understood as corrupt and people will become lost with "never-ending" fights about small scale things. Power and the divine will personally realize things and simply see them work instead of questionable reasoning and madness. Other's will simply move on like we all should just to keep the storm in a teacup from overflowing. Christ will always be there for us and things will simply need to work for God's kingdom of Heaven up above.
     
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    This should help you with your studies:

    Meanings of Symbols

    Horn – King, kingdom, power and strength (Dan 7:24; 8:5,21-22; Zec 1:18-
    19; Rev 17:12)
    Beast – State/kingdom (Dan 7:17,23) Hand – Symbol for actions, works (Ecc 9:10, Isa 59:6; Acts 4:28)
    Harvest – End of the earth (Matt13:39)
    Harlot, infidel woman – Apostate church (Isa 1:21-27; Jer 3:1-3; 6-9; Hos 2:5; 3:1)
    Heads – Rulers, goverments (Rev 17: 3,9,10; Dan 7:6; 8:8,22)
    Horse – Strength and power in battle / Special messenger (Job 39:19; Psalm 147:10; Pro 21:31; Exo 15:21; Isa 43:17; Jer 8:6; Zec 1:8-10, 6:1-8)
    Image – Likeness (Exo 10:4; Gen 1:26; 5:3)
    Incense – God’s peoples prayers (Psa 141:2; Rev 5:8)
    Israel – God’s true people (Rom 9:6-8; 2:28-29; Gal 3:29; Matt 3:9; John 8:39)
    Vessel/ jar – Person (Jer 18:1-4; 2 Cor 4:7)
    Jezebel – Immoral, Unmoral, falling
    away, apostacy, idol worship among God’s people (1 Kings 21:25; 2 Kings 9:22)
    Keys of David – Power to open and close the Sanctuary (Rev 3:7-9; Isa 22:22)
    Keys – Control/authority (Isa 22:22; Matt 16:19)
    Lamb – Jesus/ sacrifice (John 1:29; 1 Cor 5:7; Gen 22:7-8)
    Lamp – God’s word (Psalm 119:105)
    The bride of the lamb – The New Jerusalem (Rev 19:7-9; 21:2, 9-10)
    Lion – Jesus or a powerful king (Rev 5:4-9; Jer 50:43-44; Dan 7:4,17, 23) Grasshoppers 1 – Destruction (Joel 1:4; Deut 28:38)
    Grasshoppers 2 – An army from east of
    Israel (Judges 7:12; 6:5)
    Leopard – Greece (Dan 7:6)
    Bear – Destroying power/ Medo Persia (Pro 28:15; 2 King 2:23-24; Dan 7:5) Leprosy – Sin (Luke 5:23-24)
    Abomination of desolation – Army of Rome (When Jesus talks about
    the destruction of Jerusalem. (Matt 24:1-3, 15)
    Wind – wars and strife (Jer 25:31-33; 49:36-37; 4:11-13; Zec 7:14; Rev 7:1)
    Sea – Peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues. (Rev 17:15)
    Pure woman/ virgin – God’s faithful church (2 Cor 11:2; Eph 5:25-27; Jer 6:2) Fish – People (Matt 4:19)
    Serpent – Satan, Devil (Rev 12:9)
    Oil – God’s spirit (Zec 4:3,6)
    Eagles wings – Protection (Exo 19:4; Isa 40:31)
    Candlestick – Church (Rev 1:20)
    Angel – Messenger (Dan 8:16; 9:21; Luke 1:19, 26; Heb 1:14)
    Babylon – Religious curruption/confusion (Gen 10:8-10; 11:6-9; Rev 18:2-3; 17:1-5) Teaching of Balaam – Follow your own interests, compromise in order to gain something etc. (Num 22:5-25)
    Blood – Life (Lev 17:11; Deut 12:23)
    Blue – Reminder of God’s law (Num 15:38-39)
    Bottomless Pit – Earth in a chaotic state, destroyed, dark and empty. (Gen 1:1-2; Jer 4:23-28; Isa 24:1-4, 19; Rev 20:1-3) Clothing – Character (Isa 64:5; 59:6)
    Cup– measured punishments (Psalm 11:6; Isa 51:12,22-23; Jer 25:12-17; 49:12) Day – Literal year (Eze 4:6; Num 14:34)
    Door – Opportunity/probation (2 Cor 2:12; Rev 3:20; Luke 12:24-25)
    Dragon – Satan and/or his workers (Isa 27:1; 30:6; Psalm 74:13,14; Rev 12:7,9; Eze. 29:3; Jer 51:34)
    Eagle – Speed, power, revenge, protection (Deut 28:49; Hab 1:6-8; Rev 12:1-4)
    Eat a book – Receiving a message (Eze 3:1-3; Jer 15:16)
    Egypt – Symbol of atheism or to deny God’s exsistance (Exo 5:2)
    Eyes – spiritual discernment (Matt 13:10-17, 1 John 2:11)
    Eye ointment – The Holy Spirit helping us to see the truth, understanding of the Word, Medicine against spiritual blindness. (Eph 1:12-19; Psalm 119:18; I John 2:20,27; John 16:7-13)
    Hunger – Lack of truth (Amos 8:11)
    Feet – Where we are going/direction
    (Gen 19:2, Psal. 119:105)
    Forehead/Mind – Decision (Rom 7:25; Eze 3:8,9)
    Forehead and hand together – Sign of loyalty and devotion to a law (Exo 13:9, Deut 6:6-8)
    Fornication/infidelity/adultery – Illegal connection between the church and the world. (Eze 16:15,26; Isa 23:17; James 4:4; Rev. 14:4)
    Fruit– deed, actions (Gal 5:22)
    Goat – Greece (Dan 8:21)
    The Lord’s day – The Sabbath (Isa 58:13; Matt 12:8; Exo 20:10)
    Measuring rod – Gods standard, His word or law that we are measured by. (James 2:10-12; Ecc 12:13-14; Isa 8:19-20; 2 Tim 3:16-17)
    Merchants – Preachers of Babylons religions (Isa 47:11-15; Nahum 3:16; Rev. 18:3,11,15,23)
    Mountains – Governments or religious-political powers (Isa 2:2-3; Jer 17:3; 31:23; 51:24-25; Eze 17:22-23; Da. 2:35, 44-45)
    The New Jerusalem – A holy city in Heaven (Rev 3:12, 21:2)
    Ram – Medo Persia (Dan 8:20)
    Red/scarlet – sin/corruption (Isa 1:18;
    Nahum 2:3; Rev 17:1-4)
    Seal – A sign or mark of acceptance (Rom 4:11; Rev 7:2,3)
    Stars – Angels, messengers or leaders (Rev 1:16,20; 12:4,7-9; Job 38:7)
    Sword – Gods word/destruction (Eph 6:17; Heb 4:12; Isa 3:25; 13:15; Acts 12:1-2; Jer 48:2)
    Gods witnesses – (John 5:39, Zec 4:1-14;
    Psalm 119:130, 105; John 12:48)
    Vineyard – A church that bear fruit (Luke 20:9-16)
    White – purity (Rev 12:9: 20:2)
    Vine – blood/covenant/doctrines (Luke
    5:37, Isa 5:1-7)



    Revelation 17-22: The corrupt churches are punished, God's true church are saved. | Thirdangelsmessage.com
     
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  3. Philip1993

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    PLEASE DISREGARD MY IGNORANCE FOR SEVERAL THINGS..
    I'VE BEEN TRYING TO FIND BETTER DESCRIPTION OF MY BELIEFS AND SOMETIMES OVERTHINK IT ALL

    *I'll leave it posted.. just remember some of these things aren't really right.*

    Whether it is the current state of what we call a cow's way of life which some say judged as food instead of as an animal in today's living.. or if it artificial intelligence slowly accepting a way of life that is defined as humanity when there will always be a history of over 100 billion humans who have lived without technology in the open air like we do today. Way of life will be in the light of final judgement and if people realize the end of it is true.. it will be over instead of questionable occurrences that people simply don't agree with as final judgement calls with many things simply can go on forever and ever.

    If we start to act like robots with artificial intelligent implants or changing motor skills of a person into "perfect" and "stronger/better".. our way of life becomes obviously unnatural in large scale aspects. We will have to beg on our knees for the Lord above to forgive us and fight for His kingdom that sits with final judgement calls that we lost and seek, knowingly.

    Seeing stuff like this happening means final judgement is becoming in the air instead of personal/"incorporated" in life and world leaders who are blind will be set aside as truth and holy ways about what may follow helps us realize people think they know things when they don't. Power will not be understood as corrupt and people will become lost with "never-ending" fights about small scale things. Power and the divine will personally realize things and simply see them work instead of questionable reasoning and madness. Other's will simply move on like we all should just to keep the storm in a teacup from overflowing. Christ will always be there for us and things will simply need to work for God's kingdom of Heaven up above.[/QUOTE]
     
  4. Daniel Martinovich

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    Uhhh, no. To all of the above. That is not how the Bible works. It is not open to personal interpretation. Especially from sinful man. It interprets itself. Has its own context outside of any context human beings try to place into it. It is not to be read through the lens of men’s, churches, organizations traditions. It stands on its own above; far above everything around it.

    You will find that truth by becoming intimately familiar with it. Not quality time but quantity time. Not by reading commentaries on it but by reading it. Don’t understand something? Keep reading. You’ll find the answer. But it will come with a price. You’ll find God will bear witness in your conscience to things you are reading that will demand the response of faith and actions. Obey that and you’ll find more answers and light.
    As far as Bible prophecy is concerned it’s the same thing. Only the Bible interprets it’s own prophecy. This ain’t Nostradamus. It doesn’t mean or prophesy many things that could fit into its predictions. It’s highly specific. Gives The who, what, where and when’s of all it’s major prophecy. No need for interpretation . But you have to find where in the Bible it gives the interpretation and dates. And not ignore it in favor of ideas or traditions already in your head. Little clue here. It doesn’t prophesy the end of the world as we know it. But the end of eras, certain nations and empires and the beginning of new era’s. Contrary to the modern Bible illiterate generations Christians. It is not the end times.
     
  5. Beanieboy

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    I have been wondering this. i thought he was to stupid to be the anti-Christ, that I assumed would be charismatic, charming, but inwardly evil.

    Looking at his followers who, despite deaths around the world, won't take it seriously, he's the Pied Piper. They follow the man blindly, making the virus spread.

    Can you explain how the Rapture is the virus?
     
  6. Philip1993

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    Okay that makes a ton of sense. Thanks for helping me figure out some of these things.
     
  7. Newbeliever123

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    Thinking about this scenario more, I dont believe the virus to be the rapture, i just believe it to be a ploy created by the antichrist to aid his political position and to trick us into taking the mark of the beast.

    They ran a test run of this exact scenario that is happening in the world right now back in Oct 2019 before Covid19 existed of a hyptothetical strain of Coronavirus pandemic happening on earth. They got representatives from major companies to adivse on their positions if said pandemic occured.

    About Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019
     
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  8. Francis Drake

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    Scripture doesn't say nobody will have the mark of the beast before that time, it just indicates the day when that will become mandatory.
    But before it becomes mandatory, it will start voluntarily. Even right now there are countless silly fools clamouring to have chip implants so they can pay for stuff by just waving their hand over the card reader.
    Its quite obvious right now that banks are pushing everyone to a cashless society, with all transactions done via card or online, all heading towards that day.

    To enforce idolatry to the Antichrist, they will first get rid of cash, following that, they will close the accounts of everyone who doesn't bow down to the Antichrist. But all preparations are in place.

    I strongly advise Christians to stop using card payments wherever possible and use cash instead. It will make it harder for them to eradicate cash.
    If I can do so, I only use my card to get cash from the machine.
     
  9. Newbeliever123

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    He is a multi-billionaire with power around the globe to almost incomparable levels to any living person on this planet and became president of possibly the strongest nation is existence on a global scale of things, he is "anti" Christ on every comparable level, and still deceives and gains following from even the strongest of Christians... If this guy is stupid, then I regret to think what I must be.
     
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    People globally think he is a joke. And then there are far right die hards that literally would be ok with him shooting someone on 5th Avenue.
     
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    Interesting, do you have some source for that information?

    I have understood Trump is against fear, globalization and one world government, which is why I wouldn’t call him “Anti-Christ”. He doesn’t seem to act like fascists who want one world government.
     
  12. Newbeliever123

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    I can only really source the information that i read the information from, so its basically second hand news, in terms of my personal search to find him saying the words on film etc I cannot find any source for this.

    http://www.thehypertexts.com/Donald Trump Antichrist 666.htm

    I believe this is just a facet of his deception though, he has hinted to yesterday at the use of a digital dollar that will be issued as the payment for loss of earnings due to the coronavirus.



    You can bet that this will be issued as a microchip, as said, basically forcing you by deceit to take the mark.

    Microchip: the Mark of the Beast?
    ID2020 | Digital Identity Alliance
    Bill Gates will use microchip implants to fight coronavirus – Biohackinfo

    In terms of him being against centralisation and a one world government, i don't know his opinion upon this or have seen any evidence to suggest this to be true or false so i cannot comment.
     
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  13. ewq1938

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    Context is clear the mark is given out for the first time at the order of the false prophet. Nothing in the text says it is ever mandatory. The mark allows someone to buy and sell. Therefore if one refuses it, they cannot buy and sell. Paul spoke of those alive and remaining at the second coming. These did not take the mark.
     
  14. Newbeliever123

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    This is exactly the point that i'm trying to make, if:

    • Donald Trump issues the new digital dollar
    • Embedded within a microchip
    • Issued to us at the same time as the coronavirus vaccine
    • Which will be basically un-refusable to the common man, as it will include payment for loss of earnings during the coronavirus
    • Whilst the physical dollar is being printed at ridiculous amounts and decreasing the overall intrinsic value of the dollar in an attempt to recover the stock market
    • Eventually the physical dollar will become worthless, and the new digital dollar will be unchanged in terms of value to physical goods,
    • Therefore, you will only be able to buy and sell with the new digital dollar, as your former currency is now worthless.

    This is all happening, none of this is future theory of what will happen, the above text is what is being talked about often by bill gates and his foundation, Donald trump and the government followers, and other big tech institutions.

    Supply and demand in currency; if you print more its worth less... You cannot print more digital dollars, they are a set amount, this is how blockhain works.
     
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    Firstly, I would like to give you this passage to clarify some things for you.
    Matt 24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
    Matt 24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
    Matt 24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
    Matt 24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

    Donald Trump is not the anti-Christ quite the opposite. He is not a globalist he is a nationalist. He is not interested in conquering the world he is interested in taking care of his country and liberating Christians from oppression and aboard. Why you think the liberal left in America with their promotion of immorality and do as thou wilt satanic doctrine and attacking Christians. You think they would hate one of their own? They tried to impeach him 2 times already. He even said "why are we part of the UN."

    Bill Gates is definitely bad news. He's working with the one world order satanic cult. He is not the false prophet. Prophet implies a religious figure and that will likely be the catholic pope, notice the obelisk at the Vatican that is phallic worship, as well as the molestation of children it's all part of freemasonry at the highest level. The have persecuted true believers and have spoken blasphemes like the pope wanting to change words in the Lords prayer and saying Christians should not proselytize.

    The anti Christ will make a deal with Israel for 7 years and he will break his agreement.

    Dan 11:21 And in his estate shall stand up a vile person, to whom they shall not give the honour of the kingdom: but he shall come in peaceably, and obtain the kingdom by flatteries.
    Dan 11:22 And with the arms of a flood shall they be overflown from before him, and shall be broken; yea, also the prince of the covenant.
    Dan 11:23 And after the league made with him he shall work deceitfully: for he shall come up, and shall become strong with a small people.
    Dan 11:24 He shall enter peaceably even upon the fattest places of the province; and he shall do that which his fathers have not done, nor his fathers' fathers; he shall scatter among them the prey, and spoil, and riches: yea, and he shall forecast his devices against the strong holds, even for a time.

    Dan 11:31 And arms shall stand on his part, and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength, and shall take away the daily sacrifice, and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

    This is what Jesus spoke about:
    Matt 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    Paul explains further:
    2Thess 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

    Here are some videos to consider





     
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    How can a digital dollar have a microchip?

    • Issued to us at the same time as the coronavirus vaccine
    • Which will be basically un-refusable to the common man, as it will include payment for loss of earnings during the coronavir

    the money the government is sending will be direct deposit into bank accounts or will be paper checks. No new "digital dollar" and no microchips.
     
  17. Newbeliever123

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    I'm not going to write a long explanation of how blockchain works, without offering too much detail, I have vast knowledge and know the workings of blockchain, its my thing.

    I have also worked professionally with the making and utilisation of embedded software on microchips, so I know to the full the extent that the technology can be applied to.

    The most simple way I can explain blockchain is to take a random array of numbers and letters.

    17mcFB7Xyymt9hxp2bgrPz1ruWsd4PoCnZ ... this is a wallet and is public for people to send currency too, you can send and receive from these wallets with other similar arrays of numbers and letters.

    All the microchip has to do is have a code like this embedded which is really really simple to do. In terms of selling from this it works the same as buying as selling with a credit card, the number is just more complex than the front/back of a common visa card, both are realistically the same thing and point to a "wallet", be the centralised at a bank, or decentralised on the blockhain.


    They're already taking about utilising such technology, Bill Gates and Donald Trump.

    Shock U.S. Digital Dollar Proposals Set Bitcoin And Crypto Prices Alight

    "A provision for a digital dollar was included in a draft stimulus bill put together by the U.S. Democratic Party as a means to make payments to people and businesses hit by coronavirus-induced economic turmoil."



    Microchip: the Mark of the Beast?
    ID2020 | Digital Identity Alliance
    Bill Gates will use microchip implants to fight coronavirus – Biohackinfo
    About Event 201, a high-level pandemic exercise on October 18, 2019
     
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    You must not have read the article because your "antichrist" is opposed to crypto currency:

    "Last year, in the wake of social media giant Facebook's revelation it will launch its own digital currency this year, U.S. president Donald Trump attacked bitcoin, branding it and other cryptocurrencies "unregulated crypto assets" that can "facilitate unlawful behavior, including drug trade and other illegal activity."

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    Oops.
     
  19. John Helpher

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    Whatever the source may be, the result is pretty embarrassing for the world as it exposes just how dependent we are on money, so contrary to the values of the kingdom of Heaven where people work for one another out of love rather than a demand for payment.

    You are right that the mark of the Beast will almost certainly turn out to be a microchip implant, as the world economy has been making moves toward a tap-and-pay, cashless society for a while now. There's a lot of benefits to having a chip in your hand; it can't be stolen, it can't be lost, and the digital nature of the transaction means that every penny can be taxed or have some kind of transaction fee attached.

    I had also wondered if this virus situation could trigger significant, abrupt changes to the worlds economy in the area of digital currency. The thing about including the implant as part of a vaccine solution is pretty insidious, but also fairly practical. It makes for a convenient way of getting people to overcome whatever moral reticence they may have about implants. I don't think the vaccine thing is entirely necessary though, since, when the world does eventually go cashless, people will take it because they want to pay the bills.

    As for the worship issue, we show who we worship by who we give our time to. If we spend 40 hours per week working for money and then give God a few hours of the leftovers, it's pretty clear that it's not God we're worshiping.

    This directly correlates to the teachings of Jesus when he said that we cannot work for God and money at the same time without cheating on one or the other. He even went as far as to say that we'd love one and hate the other; God or money. He said we should not let fear about how we'll get food and clothing stop us from stepping out in faith. He said all the world chases after these things, but that we should not be like them. He said our new job is to work for God's kingdom, first, and that God will provide for anyone who does so.

    This is totally consistent with the very first verse of the Revelation which says it is a revelation of Jesus, to his servants. Everything, all the animal symbolism, allegories, visions, and code is meant to reveal something of Jesus' nature and kingdom. You can see that in the mark of the Beast with it's emphasis on depending on money for our daily bread.

    As for the number six hundred and sixty six (666) the disclaimer regarding wisdom has a pretty interesting connection to Solomon who, in 1 Kings 10 receives 666 talents of gold in one year. Solomon is credited with building the first temple. He had hundreds of wives. He was wealthy. He was a king. Jesus was the opposite of all that; he was executed on the grounds that he threatened the temple. He was a bachelor. He was poor, practically a beggar. He was considered a criminal and people who associated with him were threatened with excommunication. And yet Jesus said that what he had to offer was better than what Solomon had. True wisdom does not come from knowing the identity of the AntiChrist or following Solomon or any other person; true wisdom comes from obedience to Jesus.
     
  20. Newbeliever123

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    Maybe read it again yourself... Last year is not this years opinion, oops!

    The post quite evidently uses this last comment to show how opinions can change of cryptocurrency over time and with more experience in the sector... the fact that you used this quote is very deceptive in nature towards the actual context of the main content of the article.

    This is why its used as the very last comment in the article, to show how times and opinions are changing!
     
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