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Mark of Shiva???

Discussion in 'One Bread, One Body - Catholic' started by isshinwhat, Oct 5, 2003.

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  1. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    I would like to make this point a separate thread because I have heard it batted around as fact for far too long.

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    http://home.earthlink.net/~grossklas/the_pope_shiva_and_nudity.htm
     
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  2. JeffreyLloyd

    JeffreyLloyd Ave Maria, Gratia plena! Supporter

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    Thank you for this.`
     
  3. Rising_Suns

    Rising_Suns 'Christ's desolate heart is in need of comfort'

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    Interesting.....


    thanks issh.
     
  4. Aaron-Aggie

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    Thanks
     
  5. Fiskare

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    I think it's dangerous to the Christian Faith for a laywomen to anoint a Christian bishop in any way, shape, or form, which is the first issue- and also these "official" stories don't gel with the stories from the Indian sources from that actual time of the event.

    Furthermore, I think there is a lot of compromise with liberalism and worse in this reply and the Fathers and bishops of old would have never allowed this practice and defamation of Christian polity and liturgy to occur. Frankly, although the Indian ritual may have nice intentions, it is not compatible with Christian liturgy, and should have been resisted. It was not recieved from the Fathers!

    Still, it is being justified in these artcles by other bishops with a warped sense of loyalty, in my opinion. Simply put, it's not Catholic. Find me the practice - exactly, with a Pope or even another bishop- in the early Church, or even before Vat II or *whatever*, and I'll change my tune.

    "From all appearance of evil refrain yourselves." 1 Thess. 5:22
     
  6. Miss Shelby

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    You are certainly entitled to your opinion, Fiskare, whatever that may be, but I would like to remind you that One Bread One Body is a forum for people inquiring about the Catholic faith and have their questions answered by Catholics. It is not a forum in which posters are allowed to challenge our faith in any way shape or form. You don't have to change your tune, but I will ask you to take it elsewhere, in this cirucmstance.

    Thanks,

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  7. isshinwhat

    isshinwhat Pro Deo et Patria

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    That may be, however the source quoted from after the picture and including the highlighted material, is from before the Mass was held and is an explination for it.

    I believe practices like this are perfectly in line with the Tradition received from the Fathers. The modes for celebration in Europe of Easter, Valentine's Day, Christmas, and Halloween are, I believe, strong evidence of this. Using the symbols that a culture understands to relay the message of Christianity is and has been acceptable to the Church since the beginning. What we are witnessing is the living, organic life of the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

    God Bless,

    Neal
     
  8. nyj

    nyj Goodbye, my puppy

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    1. It was a greeting, not an anointing.
    2. Do you have any citations for these original sources you allude to?
     
  9. Fiskare

    Fiskare Well-Known Member

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    I'm not challenging your faith Shelby. (Unless you feel challenged- but that's not my doing). I am offering your posters the opportunity to clarify a possible misrepresentation- which in my experience is very beneficial. However, if you feel that an inquiry such as this is unwarranted, I'll drop it.

    I'm bringing to light a discussion that is already in progress in the RCC. I am not attacking any of your doctrines. Don't think I do that- in fact, it is Roman sources from devout Catholics that led me to this observation. It's a Roman Catholic point of discussion, and if you have carefully followed this discussion in the other thread I cited Roman Catholic Canon Law and so forth, not protestant or atheist sources for the enhancement of the topic. My interest is discussion with my Roman Catholic brethren, for mutual learning and growth. I'm sorry you don't see that.

    Good efforts from nyj and Neal, but alas, I won't reply.
     
  10. Caedmon

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    I have a question. Why are you, as an Anglican, concerned enough about the Catholic Church to debate against what you see as evils within Her? Why do you persist in telling us here in OBOB that the Catholic Church doesn't have it all together? Just curious...
     
  11. KennySe

    KennySe Habemus Papam!

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    Luke 7:37-50.
    And, behold, a woman in the city, which was a sinner, when she knew that Jesus sat at meat in the Pharisee's house, brought an alabaster box of ointment,

    And stood at his feet behind him weeping, and began to wash his feet with tears, and did wipe them with the hairs of her head, and kissed his feet, and anointed them with the ointment.

    Now when the Pharisee which had bidden him saw it, he spake within himself, saying, This man, if he were a prophet, would have known who and what manner of woman this is that toucheth him: for she is a sinner.

    And Jesus answering said unto him, Simon, I have somewhat to say unto thee. And he saith, Master, say on.

    There was a certain creditor which had two debtors: the one owed five hundred pence, and the other fifty.
    And when they had nothing to pay, he frankly forgave them both. Tell me therefore, which of them will love him most?

    Simon answered and said, I suppose that he, to whom he forgave most. And he said unto him, Thou hast rightly judged.

    And he turned to the woman, and said unto Simon, Seest thou this woman? I entered into thine house, thou gavest me no water for my feet: but she hath washed my feet with tears, and wiped them with the hairs of her head.

    Thou gavest me no kiss: but this woman since the time I came in hath not ceased to kiss my feet.
    My head with oil thou didst not anoint: but this woman hath anointed my feet with ointment.
    Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little.

    And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

    And they that sat at meat with him began to say within themselves, Who is this that forgiveth sins also?

    And he said to the woman, Thy faith hath saved thee; go in peace.
     
  12. Fiskare

    Fiskare Well-Known Member

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    Because liberalism, on both the Anglican and the Roman side is the stumbling block to unity.
     
  13. Fiskare

    Fiskare Well-Known Member

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    And a very good reply, but alas, no sign of pagan connotations in the example either from the woman of the Lord . Kudos nontheless. :|
     
  14. Caedmon

    Caedmon kawaii Supporter

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    Why are you debating in a non-debate forum?
     
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