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Marijuana to smoke or not to smoke

Discussion in 'Baptists' started by savedfromdistruction, Jun 3, 2012.

  1. phoenixdem

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    I don't think that it is the purpose of this forum to justify using illegal drugs. I have gotten into discussions with drug users before and there is no reasoning with them. It is like talking to a parrot who has been taught to mimic speech. I just don't do it.
     
  2. 1234321

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    Well that is convenient, isn't it? After all that I put up, you can dismiss it as parroting language without hope of reason. Oh, and insinuate I actually use drugs. Why did you engage in the first place if this was your thinking and logic?

    I am curious as to why you think Christ would choose to turn water into wine, and allow the guests of the wedding to imbibe in the drink if the action is as malign as you claim it to be.
     
  3. phoenixdem

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    Ok, we are talking about wine now. I thought you were talking about marijuana and other illegal drugs. Which is it? If you are wondering about the wine at the wedding feast, here is one link for you to study,

    Did Jesus Turn The Water Into Alcoholic Wine

    Here is another one,

    Jesus and Wine
     
  4. ApparitionXVII

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    Specifically when it comes do your definition of pharmakeia, how does cannabis fit? It's not magic... unless you consider a combination of dirt, sunlight, and water to be magic. (which honestly, how stuff grows from the earth does completely blow my mind, right?) What if certain 'drug users' aren't looking to get into touch with dark spirits? Is that sorcery?

    How do you define intoxication? Do you believe it's impossible to partake in cannabis without being completely stoned stupid? As 1234 has already started to hit on, what is your take on the scriptures and alcohol consumption? Drunkenness vs proper use.

    Perhaps also take a look at 1 Tim 4 and ask if it's possible that cannabis falls into a category of a food that could be received with thanksgiving from God as he created it... unless you believe cannabis to be something that God did not create.

    As you say that sorcerers do not enter the kingdom of heaven, your same passage in 1 Cor 6 says a lot of other people don't enter the kingdom of heaven, a few of those categories you might already fit in: liars too (have you ever told a lie?) murderers (have you ever hated anyone in your heart).... but is it not true that with God all things are possible?

    I'm not advocating anyone just run out and blaze up... I don't partake in cannabis myself and haven't for quite some years now. But I also don't make it out to be the devil that most others try to make it out to be either.

    :)
     
  5. ApparitionXVII

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    I've been called worse than naive so I don't mind.
    Haven't quite gotten to Genesis 3 yet... I hope to make it.... someday. =P

    But what might really blow your mind is the thought that Adam could have totally tore up some honey bbq castor beans with an oleander salad and totally lived because at that point before the fall, he wouldn't have died. =)

    I understand your point of Gen 1 vs Gen 3, but Gen 3 doesn't point to cannabis being bad either. Especially considering that it is virtually impossible to die directly from a cannabis overdose, it's not so "poisonous"...
     
  6. OzSpen

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    You have missed my point. It was you who was placing marijuana with Genesis 1 and vegetation and fruit bearing seed that were GOOD. You wrote:
    Marijuana use has many deleterious effects since the fall into sin of Genesis 3. You are yodelling when you try to look at marijuana from a Genesis 1 perspective. We will NEVER be in that environment again. Never!:doh:

    Oz
     
  7. ApparitionXVII

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    How about a 1 Timothy 4 argument then?

    And for a Gen 3 argument to be completely infallible, you'd first have to assume that cannabis is indeed bad.

    You claim that it has many deleterious effects... and that I might not necessarily disagree with... but the question then becomes is it the substance itself that produces harmful effects, or is it the amount of the substance? Hence why the alcohol/wine argument is in play from other posters as we can all agree that drunkenness is wrong, but drinking in and of itself is not.
     
  8. Searching For Truth

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    If you believe that Jesus was making non alcoholic wine then explain this verse.

    John 2:10

    King James Version (KJV)

    10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.


    Are we to believe that everyone making wine is making non alcoholic wine?
     
  9. ApparitionXVII

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    Or this...

    Matthew 11:18-19

    New International Version (NIV)

    18 For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, ‘He has a demon.’ 19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and sinners.’ But wisdom is proved right by her deeds.”

    Drunkard on the non-alcoholic grape juice.....

    Right. =)
     
  10. OzSpen

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    You are pushing justification of marijuana use.

    The THC in marijuana is fat soluble and one joint puts THC in your fatty tissue for 6 weeks. And if you smoke more and more marijuana the THC accumulates. THC is very different from the water soluble alcohol that is out of our system in about 24 hours.

    Like it or not, about one-third of our brain is fat.

    Sincerely, Oz
     
  11. OzSpen

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    Please give me the 1 Timothy 4 argument with careful exegesis.

    Oz
     
  12. Mock

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    Marijuana helped the cause of my lung collapse, so for the arguments out their saying it does not have much health risk your wrong. The only healthy way of consuming marijuana would be cooking it. Just a hit or puff of marijuana puts you in a high state that is not as intense or does not last as long. If you say you have a tolerance then that shows you do marijuana alot and do get very high off of it.

    Stop defending Marijuana, you got to put logic together and not wants and needs. There are alot of things in the bible not mentioned but you logically you know it's wrong. Why risk not knowing if it's a sin for eternal damnation. Marijuana is not needed in people's life I am sure you can go on without it.

    It's all about pleasure, that's it. People who have medical marijuana is just an excuse for them to use it and feel right about it, and a way for the government to make profit off of a highly popular drug. Since if they made marijuana legal it would be very easy to grow plants and for people to produce their own.

    A glass of wine is good for the heart, Putting smoke up and down your lungs is far from healthy. ANY TYPE OF SMOKE IS NOT HEALTHY. If you try to say you cook with marijuana it's highly impossible to control the doses and it's way more potent and will get you high off your mind which means your sinning off of intoxication.
     
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  13. WinBySurrender

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    Yeah, and for years the tobacco industry produced study after study saying the same thing about their product. Tashkin is a shill for the medical marijuana industry, and is the "licensed practitioner" for six Berkley area "medical marijuana" clinics. What else do you suppose his "study" would find? :doh:

    And no doubt these guys are equally "neutral" on the subject: This is the sponsor of your site:

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    Forgive me while I laugh behind my hand.
    Now I'm going to have to fall down on the floor laughing my rear end off. You actually fell for this, six years after the fact and five years, three weeks and four days after it was found to be fraudulent? Good grief man, do some research! BTW, the ABC News page that allegedly has this story is blank. Taken down years ago. Interesting. Where'd you get the link and how is it you didn't check it?
     
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  14. phoenixdem

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    The enemies of jesus were many and they spread many rumors about Him. Do you put yourself among His enemies?
     
  15. savedfromdistruction

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    We are never to be ingesting anything for pleasure that can change or effect our behavior so using any drug for the purpose of pleasure is sin regardless how much or how little.
     
  16. 1234321

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    Since you are so erudite on the subject of substances, why arent you published?

    Either way, I am wrong, and you are right.
     
  17. Jonathan95

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    Doesn't matter for what purpose you use it for it's still Sin - Marijuana is a magical potent that opens up the user to the spiritual powers of darkness.
    http://www.amazon.com/Magick-Marijuana-Magician-Series-ebook/dp/B005KN83PG <---Read the description of that book. That's not where I got that from though, but still. It's a magical potent, and it's sorcery. See the description and title of that book, those occult people use it.


    I don't know a lot about Cannabis, but just a little bit would intoxicate. I believe it cannot be done by faith either, thus it's SIN (Rom 14:23). Also, it's illegal in most places, that's another reason that would make it sinful.

    About alcohol consumption, I will give you those verses:

    James 4:17
    Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.

    Romans 14:23
    And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.


    It's not food lol, so it can't. Cannabis consumption doesn't glorify God. He did create it but it's not food, and "he created it" is not a valid argument. He created scavengers too, like swine, which weren't to be eaten.


    So you believe just because with God all things are possible, one can Sin without repentance by lets say being a drunkard, and still not be among the category that will not inherit the kingdom of God? I read a bible commentary on 1 Cor 6:9, it said "Paul is confident that the Corinthians are true believers, justified and sanctified (v. 11 note), and that their present misbehavior is an anomaly that can be corrected. But it must be corrected. Persistence in wickedness would be an indication that their faith is false and that they have no place in the kingdom".
     
  18. ApparitionXVII

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    I think the emphasis of the passage is to highlight that God is never good enough for the Pharisees and they were constantly missing the people that God was sending to them.

    John (greatest born among women in the verses preceding) came neither eating nor drinking and they said he had a demon...

    Jesus came eating and drinking and hanging out with tax collectors and sinners.. and they called him a drunkard.

    Pretty much you have two men of God (well, one man of God and one who is God) that were on both extremes and neither of them were 'good' enough for the Pharisees.

    But the point I was making was that they would not have called him a drunkard if in fact the wine he was drinking was non-alcoholic as some have tried to argue.
     
  19. ApparitionXVII

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    I don't have to justify use of cannabis for anyone... it's between them and God to decide. I merely question the biblical application of verses for others to claim that cannabis is ungodly when it has only been illegal for less than 100 years, and prior to that it was culturally acceptable for thousands of years.

    THC being stored in fat doesn't mean a lick to me... unless you can show me in the bible where THAT is wrong as well.

    I'd also like to point out that I don't even necessarily advocate SMOKING marijuana... joints... etc... I can see where smoking it to get high could be completely outside of God's purpose for the herb, similar to how sex outside of marriage is against God's intention for sex.
     
  20. 01tj

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    I always hear people saying that they can smoke marijuana because God made it so its good. There are numerous plants that can kill you. Just because God made it doesn't mean he made it for human consumption. Also remember the earth has changed since God created it, both after the fall of man and after the flood.
     
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