Maricopa County Leaders call on AZ Senate to stop sham investigation of 2020 election

[KCfromNC]

Were there systemic irregularities? In Arizona there was a huge anomaly in the count of number of votes cast in areas of Maricopa County.

In what way? Hopefully this isn't just "a lot of people voted against a historically unpopular president" thing, and instead is something actually suspicious.

 

[KCfromNC]

Real problems were discovered some months ago.

Sounds serious. I wonder what happened when those problems were brought up in front of a judge.

Do me a favor, read the report for yourself when it comes out.

Wait, how do you know there were problems if the report identifying them doesn't exist?

 

[wing2000]

In what way? Hopefully this isn't just "a lot of people voted against a historically unpopular president" thing, and instead is something actually suspicious.

The "anomaly" is quite a few Republicans in Maricopa County voted a straight ticket....except for President. That's a hard pill for Donald and his followers to accept.

 

[Valletta]

No. Republican election officials in AZ and GA are angry their own party is accusing them of malfeasance, and going over their heads to second guess them with a less secure investigation than their own internal audits.

Democrats are angry that this pointless stunt is being used to cloud something that is unclouded.

The Arizona audit has armed guards and streaming video of the audit, incredibly secure. It wouldn't hurt for you to wait for the results before judging.

 

[Tanj]

The Arizona audit has armed guards and streaming video of the audit, incredibly secure. It wouldn't hurt for you to wait for the results before judging.

Why does it have armed guards?

 

[Valletta]

As to the anomaly in Arizona, U.S. News reported :

In Arizona, Biden won a whopping 301,000 (and counting) votes more than Clinton did in Maricopa County, enabling it to shift from red to blue between 2016 and 2020. Biden also improved upon Clinton's vote haul in more Democratic-leaning Pima County (Tucson) by 70,000 votes.


The full article is at: https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...urban-suburban-areas-boost-bidens-vote-totals

 

[Subduction Zone]

As to the anomaly in Arizona, U.S. News reported :

In Arizona, Biden won a whopping 301,000 (and counting) votes more than Clinton did in Maricopa County, enabling it to shift from red to blue between 2016 and 2020. Biden also improved upon Clinton's vote haul in more Democratic-leaning Pima County (Tucson) by 70,000 votes.


The full article is at: https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...urban-suburban-areas-boost-bidens-vote-totals

How is that an anomaly? Clearly the people of Maricopa county learned some lessons from Trump and their former sheriff.

 

[Arcangl86]

As to the anomaly in Arizona, U.S. News reported :

In Arizona, Biden won a whopping 301,000 (and counting) votes more than Clinton did in Maricopa County, enabling it to shift from red to blue between 2016 and 2020. Biden also improved upon Clinton's vote haul in more Democratic-leaning Pima County (Tucson) by 70,000 votes.


The full article is at: https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...urban-suburban-areas-boost-bidens-vote-totals

Turnout was higher, and Biden isn't Hillary Clinton. Two easily explainable factors. Trump got a ton more votes in Maricopa COunty then he did in 2016. Are those votes also fraudulent?

 

[KCfromNC]

As to the anomaly in Arizona, U.S. News reported :

In Arizona, Biden won a whopping 301,000 (and counting) votes more than Clinton did in Maricopa County, enabling it to shift from red to blue between 2016 and 2020. Biden also improved upon Clinton's vote haul in more Democratic-leaning Pima County (Tucson) by 70,000 votes.

Wow, how bad was the GOP candidate to get that much extra turn out for their opponent? I wonder if the people in charge of the party could have predicted he'd be historically unpopular - was there any polling showing this possibility?

 

[Whyayeman]

In Arizona, Biden won a whopping 301,000 (and counting) votes more than Clinton did in Maricopa County, enabling it to shift from red to blue between 2016 and 2020. Biden also improved upon Clinton's vote haul in more Democratic-leaning Pima County (Tucson) by 70,000 votes.

I hope Valletta realises what he has said here. Trump lost because 301,000 more people voted for Biden than for Trump.

 

[wing2000]

As to the anomaly in Arizona, U.S. News reported :

In Arizona, Biden won a whopping 301,000 (and counting) votes more than Clinton did in Maricopa County, enabling it to shift from red to blue between 2016 and 2020. Biden also improved upon Clinton's vote haul in more Democratic-leaning Pima County (Tucson) by 70,000 votes.


The full article is at: https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...urban-suburban-areas-boost-bidens-vote-totals

....yes, and a portion of those Biden voters were Republicans, who otherwise would have voted for the GOP candidate. A recent precinct analysis found:

"A new, independent analysis of Maricopa County voter data indicates Republican-leaning voters in wealthier areas were more likely to reject Donald Trump in the 2020 election, contributing to the former president’s loss in Arizona.

Maps generated from Maricopa County's 751 precinct cast vote record data show high-wealth precincts around Paradise Valley and the Arcadia area of Phoenix collectively had some of the highest numbers of committed Republican voters who did not vote for Donald Trump. These areas also tend to have residents with higher levels of education.

Palo Cristi, for example, a precinct adjacent to Camelback Mountain, was carried by Trump 55% to Biden’s 44%, but 6.3% of voters who supported most other Republicans on the ballot did not back Trump."

https://www.abc15.com/news/state/ma...jected-donald-trump-in-november-2020-election

 

[Whyayeman]

I think this gets to the heart of it; Trump was less popular than other Republican candidates.

That must be unbearable for the thin-skinned Trump.

 

[essentialsaltes]

The Arizona audit has armed guards and streaming video of the audit, incredibly secure. It wouldn't hurt for you to wait for the results before judging.

But, as you must be aware, since this seems to underpin the whole idea of this political investigation by the AZ Senate into the election, if the process is faulty, then the results cannot be accepted with confidence. The physical security of the ballots became questionable as soon as they all left the vault.

We have already seen ballots shipped back and forth in trucks a few times to different locations. People using pens that could be used to mark ballots. Unattended ballots and laptops and other irregularities. Overseen by an organization that has never done this before, and has not been qualified to do it in the first place.

Everyone seems to agree that if you just count the ballots, you will once again get the result that Biden won. So the only startling result would be some "bamboo ballots" or something of that nature. I'll go on record that no such bombshell will be in the final report. Instead there will be mealy-mouthed "lingering questions" and "possibilities" without much factual basis. It will serve to keep the Trump-faithful on the warpath, but will not demonstrate anything of value for election security.

 

[cow451]

As to the anomaly in Arizona, U.S. News reported :

In Arizona, Biden won a whopping 301,000 (and counting) votes more than Clinton did in Maricopa County, enabling it to shift from red to blue between 2016 and 2020. Biden also improved upon Clinton's vote haul in more Democratic-leaning Pima County (Tucson) by 70,000 votes.


The full article is at: https://www.usnews.com/news/electio...urban-suburban-areas-boost-bidens-vote-totals

Why not also check out Arizona's demographic changes from 2016-2020?

 

[Valletta]

Why does it have armed guards?

As Thomas Reid said, “a chain is no stronger than its weakest link.” The audit puts into place what should take place in elections. Strong physical security, live streaming so the public can see. These are things that many on the hard left don't want to see, that's why the Texas legislators abandoned their posts, because the proposed law requires video recording for elections and live streaming for the most populous counties, while expanding voter hours it prohibits voting in the middle of the night, it make it a crime to prevent lawful observers from doing their job, etc.

 

[cow451]

As Thomas Reid said, “a chain is no stronger than its weakest link.” The audit puts into place what should take place in elections. Strong physical security, live streaming so the public can see. These are things that many on the hard left don't want to see, that's why the Texas legislators abandoned their posts, because the proposed law requires video recording for elections and live streaming for the most populous counties, while expanding voter hours it prohibits voting in the middle of the night, it make it a crime to prevent lawful observers from doing their job, etc.

You actually think that would make EX President Trump accept a future loss without screaming about it being "rigged"? Fat chance. None of these things proposed will address what happens when a candidate like EX President Trump is involved. And I don't think it will make much difference in a Presidential election since none of the reasons (Massive fraud) exist.

 

[Tanj]

As Thomas Reid said, “a chain is no stronger than its weakest link.” The audit puts into place what should take place in elections.

You think elections should have armed guards? Police, military or private contractors?, also, why? None of the issues you have so far described appear to warrant lethal force.

 

[Aryeh Jay]

You think elections should have armed guards? Police, military or private contractors?, also, why? None of the issues you have so far described appear to warrant lethal force.

Oh goodness of course not. We don't want the police or military at voting centers, that would make us look like a third world failed democracy. All we need are a few armed, loyal patriotic citizens to assist with helping voters select the correct candidate and prevent those who would steal democracy from us by choosing a communist or something other than the best preferred candidate.

 

[Tanj]

Oh goodness of course not. We don't want the police or military at voting centers, that would make us look like a third world failed democracy. All we need are a few armed, loyal patriotic citizens to assist with helping voters select the correct candidate and prevent those who would steal democracy from us by choosing a communist or something other than the best preferred candidate.

It worked well in the USSR.

 

[Valletta]

You think elections should have armed guards? Police, military or private contractors?, also, why? None of the issues you have so far described appear to warrant lethal force.

You're a tricky one, you asked why they had armed guards in Arizona and now make it sound like I am advocating "lethal force" against voters. Security is not some new thing--didn't you hear anything about the ugly confrontations between police and election observers in Detroit? There were plenty of complaints from Democrats that the Arizona audit lacked proper security. No one should have any objection to live streaming the counting process.