Many called, few chosen....... from near death experiencer....

[DennisTate]

Wow.... this is scary.... Bob Jones was shown 98 percent of people are lost... and only two percent are saved.........
That is after the thirty nine minute mark in this video.....

Matthew 22:14

For many are called, but few are chosen."

Matthew 7:13

Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it."

 

[DennisTate]

Bob Jones' prediction of a massive revival in Russia......
does certainly seem to be happening already!

The Russian Church increased by 5,000 churches and 10,000 clerics over the last six years / OrthoChristian.Com

"Over the last six years our Church increased by 5,000 churches and 10,000 clergymen, which means that people need the Church’s mission. There could not be such growth in the Church if there were no demand. That is why we feel so special when we place the foundations of new churches," the patriarch said at the ceremony of laying the first stone in the foundation of the Assumption Cathedral of the Sarov Hermitage, where St. Seraphim of Sarov lived.

 

[ClementofA]

I'll stick with the inspired Word of God through the apostle Paul, rather than an errant opinion of Jesus' words:

1. Jesus says "FEW" were finding it
2. Paul says "MANY" will be saved (Rom.5:18-19)

Actually both are right.

Jesus was referring to the situation at His time in the first century, not final destiny.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for all mankind for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Therefore there is salvation after death. And corrective punishment.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.

Bible versions don't say "few will EVER find it". This Greek Interliner says "finding":

Matthew 7:14 Interlinear: how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Young's Literal Translation
how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Matthew 7:14 is in the present tense, few "finding" it, speaking of that particular time, not of final destiny. Earlier in Matthew final destiny was already revealed re salvation:

Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.

"Pay attention to the Greek verb tenses.
“Enter (eiselthate | εἰσέλθατε | aor act imperative 2 pl) through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and easy the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter
(eiserchomenoi | εἰσερχόμενοι | pres mid ptcp nom pl masc) through it. Matt 7:13"

"How narrow is the gate and difficult the way that leads to life, and few are those who find (heuriskontes | εὑρίσκοντες | pres act ptcp nom pl masc) it! Matt 7:14"

"In v.13 the word for 'enter' is the Greek word 'eiserchomenoi' which as noted is a present tense participle more accurately translated as 'entering.' Thus all this verse is saying
is that there are many who are presently entering the wide gate. This verse does not refer at all to sometime in the future where people may or may not be resurrected out of the
lake of fire. If it did, this verse would employ the future tense of the verb - but it doesn't. We can only say what this verse states - simply that when Jesus spoke these words,
many are entering the broad gate/road."

"Same thing with v.14. The word for 'find' is 'heuriskontes' which is a present tense participle. Thus few people are currently 'finding' the narrow gate. No reference at all to the future."

Hell is Payback

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

"The Third Law of Theology: For every theologian there is an equal and opposite theologian."

"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God" (Mt.22:29)

 

[DennisTate]

I'll stick with the inspired Word of God through the apostle Paul, rather than an errant opinion of Jesus' words:

1. Jesus says "FEW" were finding it
2. Paul says "MANY" will be saved (Rom.5:18-19)

Actually both are right.

Jesus was referring to the situation at His time in the first century, not final destiny.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for all mankind for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Therefore there is salvation after death. And corrective punishment.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.

Bible versions don't say "few will EVER find it". This Greek Interliner says "finding":

Matthew 7:14 Interlinear: how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Young's Literal Translation
how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Matthew 7:14 is in the present tense, few "finding" it, speaking of that particular time, not of final destiny. Earlier in Matthew final destiny was already revealed re salvation:

Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.

"Pay attention to the Greek verb tenses.
“Enter (eiselthate | εἰσέλθατε | aor act imperative 2 pl) through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and easy the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter
(eiserchomenoi | εἰσερχόμενοι | pres mid ptcp nom pl masc) through it. Matt 7:13"

"How narrow is the gate and difficult the way that leads to life, and few are those who find (heuriskontes | εὑρίσκοντες | pres act ptcp nom pl masc) it! Matt 7:14"

"In v.13 the word for 'enter' is the Greek word 'eiserchomenoi' which as noted is a present tense participle more accurately translated as 'entering.' Thus all this verse is saying
is that there are many who are presently entering the wide gate. This verse does not refer at all to sometime in the future where people may or may not be resurrected out of the
lake of fire. If it did, this verse would employ the future tense of the verb - but it doesn't. We can only say what this verse states - simply that when Jesus spoke these words,
many are entering the broad gate/road."

"Same thing with v.14. The word for 'find' is 'heuriskontes' which is a present tense participle. Thus few people are currently 'finding' the narrow gate. No reference at all to the future."

Hell is Payback

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

"The Third Law of Theology: For every theologian there is an equal and opposite theologian."

"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God" (Mt.22:29)

Well said......
the 98% being in a lost state was in a certain time period......
but a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit is predicted that will so alter the formula
that by the year 2185..... everybody will know G-d from the least to the greatest.........

Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

The image of the future that they gave me then, and it was their image, not one that I created, surprised me. My image had previously been sort of like Star Wars, where everything was space age, plastics, and technology.



The future that they showed me was almost no technology at all. What everybody, absolutely everybody, in this euphoric future spent most of their time doing was raising children. The chief concern of people was children, and everybody considered children to be the most precious commodity in the world.



And when a person became an adult, there was no sense of anxiety, nor hatred, nor competition.



There was this enormous sense of trust and mutual respect. If a person, in this view of the future, became disturbed, then the community of people all cared about the disturbed person falling away from the harmony of the group. Spiritually, through prayer and love, the others would elevate the afflicted person.



What people did with the rest of their time was that they gardened, with almost no physical effort. They showed me that plants, with prayer, would produce huge fruits and vegetables.



People, in unison, could control the climate of the planet through prayer. Everybody would work with mutual trust and the people would call the rain, when needed, and the sun to shine.



Animals lived with people, in harmony.

 

[Hidden In Him]

Well said......
the 98% being in a lost state was in a certain time period......
but a massive outpouring of the Holy Spirit is predicted

Harold Pittman also received a vision confirming these percentages back in 1980, but I'm wondering what they would be now. I doubt they'd be much different yet. Very little has changed, although I do agree with you that the prophecies (and even scripture itself) suggest the harvest is coming eventually.

 

[DennisTate]

Harold Pittman also received a vision confirming these percentages back in 1980, but I'm wondering what they would be now. I doubt they'd be much different yet. Very little has changed, although I do agree with you that the prophecies (and even scripture itself) suggest the harvest is coming eventually.

One thing that my wife and I know for certain is that over the past year or so......
our fifteen year old daughter has had a MASSIVE shift in her understanding
due to her listening to youtube video after youtube video.... by Mr. Todd White.......

Todd's extreme humility.... and his extreme zeal to reach out to others......
has so impressed our little girl that she is truly trying her best to be more and more and
more like Todd White.........

She already got baptized by immersion last summer... she was only 14 then.......
and she may not have received the full fledged
baptism by the Holy Spirit as my wife has received but.......
the shift in her approach to life is nothing short of astonishing to us .........

One down..... 999,999,999 to go........

toward those one billion young people who will turn to G-d with their whole heart.......

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

I'll stick with the inspired Word of God through the apostle Paul, rather than an errant opinion of Jesus' words:

1. Jesus says "FEW" were finding it
2. Paul says "MANY" will be saved (Rom.5:18-19)

Actually both are right.

Jesus was referring to the situation at His time in the first century, not final destiny.

Rom 5:18 Consequently, then, as it was through one offense for all mankind for condemnation, thus also it is through one just act for all mankind for life's justifying."

Rom 5:19 For even as, through the disobedience of the one man, the many were constituted sinners, thus also, through the obedience of the One, the many shall be constituted just."

Paul makes a parallel between "the many" who were condemned & sinners and those who will be justified & constituted just.

“In Romans 5, the justification is co-extensive with the condemnation. Since all share in one, all share in the other. If only a certain portion of the human race had partaken of the sin of Adam, only a certain portion would partake of the justification of Christ. But St. Paul affirms all to have been involved in one, and all to be included in the other.”

Therefore there is salvation after death. And corrective punishment.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

Jesus shall see of the travail of His soul & be satisfied. Not satisfied a little bit, but the vast majority fried alive forever.

"He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous servant justify many; for he shall bear their iniquities." (Isa.53:11).

For how "many" (not few) did He "bear their iniquities"? All.

Bible versions don't say "few will EVER find it". This Greek Interliner says "finding":

Matthew 7:14 Interlinear: how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Young's Literal Translation
how strait is the gate, and compressed the way that is leading to the life, and few are those finding it!

Matthew 7:14 is in the present tense, few "finding" it, speaking of that particular time, not of final destiny. Earlier in Matthew final destiny was already revealed re salvation:

Mt.1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.
Mt.2:6b ...my people Israel.

"Pay attention to the Greek verb tenses.
“Enter (eiselthate | εἰσέλθατε | aor act imperative 2 pl) through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and easy the way that leads to destruction, and many are those who enter
(eiserchomenoi | εἰσερχόμενοι | pres mid ptcp nom pl masc) through it. Matt 7:13"

"How narrow is the gate and difficult the way that leads to life, and few are those who find (heuriskontes | εὑρίσκοντες | pres act ptcp nom pl masc) it! Matt 7:14"

"In v.13 the word for 'enter' is the Greek word 'eiserchomenoi' which as noted is a present tense participle more accurately translated as 'entering.' Thus all this verse is saying
is that there are many who are presently entering the wide gate. This verse does not refer at all to sometime in the future where people may or may not be resurrected out of the
lake of fire. If it did, this verse would employ the future tense of the verb - but it doesn't. We can only say what this verse states - simply that when Jesus spoke these words,
many are entering the broad gate/road."

"Same thing with v.14. The word for 'find' is 'heuriskontes' which is a present tense participle. Thus few people are currently 'finding' the narrow gate. No reference at all to the future."

Hell is Payback

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

"The Third Law of Theology: For every theologian there is an equal and opposite theologian."

"Ye do err, not knowing the Scriptures or the power of God" (Mt.22:29)

What irony. You errantly interpret and yet accuse others of errantly intrepreting? You start with your theology, not what Scripture says. When you don't agree with Scripture, you re-interpret it or disregard it as not for today.

What I don't understand is how "few" and "many" can't talk about the same situation. Many may be called and few chosen AND the way might be narrow and few may find it, and yet those few--relative to all who ever existed--may still be the "great multitude that no man could number" that is spoken of in Revelation 7:9. And, that would be much more in sync with the whole of Scripture than the idea that all are saved.

 

[DennisTate]

What irony. You errantly interpret and yet accuse others of errantly intrepreting? You start with your theology, not what Scripture says. When you don't agree with Scripture, you re-interpret it or disregard it as not for today.

What I don't understand is how "few" and "many" can't talk about the same situation. Many may be called and few chosen AND the way might be narrow and few may find it, and yet those few--relative to all who ever existed--may still be the "great multitude that no man could number" that is spoken of in Revelation 7:9. And, that would be much more in sync with the whole of Scripture than the idea that all are saved.

Pastor Rick Joyner has added another fascinating
possibility to the whole mix with the idea.......
that the "outer darkness" of heaven............
could truly be a part of heaven.......
where the expectations are much, much, much, lower........

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

The Truth of Grace
......

Pastor Rick Joyner......"I then noticed someone I had known on earth. He had been a faithful believer, but I did not think he had done anything of significance. He was so physically unattractive on earth that it had made him shy. Here he had the same features, but was somehow more handsome than any person I had known on earth. He stepped up to me with an assurance and dignity that I had never seen in him, or anyone, before.

"Heaven is much greater than we could have dreamed while on earth," he began. "This room is but the threshold of realms of glory that are far beyond the ability we had to comprehend. It is also true that the second death is much more terrible than we understood. Neither heaven or hell are like we thought they were. If I had known on earth what I know here I would not have lived the way that I did. You are blessed with a great grace to have come here before you have died." he said while looking at my garments.

I then looked at myself. I still had the old mantle of humility on, with the armor under it. I felt both foul and crude standing before those who were so regal and beautiful. I began to think that I was in serious trouble if I was going to appear before the Lord like this. Like the eagles, my old acquaintance could understand my thoughts, and he replied to them:

"Those who come here wearing that mantle have nothing to fear. That mantle is the highest rank of honor, and it is why they all bowed to you while you passed."

"I did not notice anyone bowing to me," I replied, a bit disconcerted.

"It is not improper," he continued. "Here we show each other the respect that is due. Even the angels serve us here, but only our God and His Christ are worshiped."

I was still ashamed. I had to retrain myself to keep from bowing to these glorious ones, while at the same time wanting to hide myself because I looked so bad. Then I began lamenting the fact that my thoughts here were just as foolish here as they were one earth, and here everyone knew them! I felt both stained and stupid standing before these who were so awesome and pure. Again my old acquaintance responded to these thoughts.

"We have our incorruptible bodies now, and you do not. Our minds are no longer hindered by sin. We are therefore able to comprehend many times what even the greatest earthly mind can fathom, and we will spend eternity growing in our ability to understand. This is so that we can know the Father, and understand the glory of His creation. On earth you cannot even begin to understand what the least of these here know, and we are the least of those here."

"How could you be the least?" I asked with disbelief.

"There is an aristocracy here. The rewards for our earthly lives are the eternal positions that we have here. This great multitude here are those whom the Lord called 'foolish virgins.' We knew the Lord, and trusted in His cross for deliverance from damnation, but we did not really live for Him, but for ourselves. We did not keep our vessels filled with the oil of the Holy Spirit. We have eternal life, but we wasted our lives on earth."

I was really surprised by this, but I also knew that no one could lie in that place.

"The foolish virgins gnashed their teeth in the outer darkness," I protested.

"And that we did. The grief that we experienced when we understood how we had so wasted our lives was beyond any grief possible on earth. The darkness of that grief can only be understood by those who have experienced it. Such darkness is magnified when it is revealed next to the glory of the One we failed. You are standing now among the lowest rank in heaven. There are no greater fools than the ones who know the great salvation of God, but then go on living for themselves. To come here and learn the reality of that folly is a grief beyond what an earthly soul can experience. We are those who suffered this outer darkness because of this greatest of follies."

I was still incredulous. "But you are more glorious and full of more joy and peace than I even imagined, even for those in heaven. I do not feel any remorse in you, and yet I know that here you cannot lie. This does not make sense to me."

Looking me straight in the eyes, he continued, "The Lord also loves us with a love greater than you can yet understand. Before His judgment seat I tasted the greatest darkness of soul and remorse that can be experienced. Though here we do not measure time as you do, it seemed to last for as long as my life on earth had lasted. All of my sins and follies which I had not repented of passed before me, and before all who are here. The grief of this you cannot understand until you have experienced it. I felt that I was in the deepest dungeon of hell, even as I stood before the Lord. He was resolute until my life had been completely reviewed. When I said I was sorry and asked for the mercy of His cross, He wiped away my tears and took away the great darkness. He looked at me with a love that was beyond anything that you can now understand. He gave me this robe. I no longer feel the darkness or bitterness that I knew as I stood before Him, but I remember it. Only here can you remember such things without continuing to feel the pain. A moment in the lowest part of heaven is much greater than a thousand years of the highest life on earth. Now my mourning at my folly has been turned into joy, and I know that I will know joy forever, even if I am in the lowest place in heaven."

I began to think again of the treasures of salvation. Somehow I knew that all that this man had told me was revealed by those treasures. Every step I had taken up the mountain, or into it, had revealed that His ways are both more fearful and more wonderful than I had known before.

Looking at me intently, my former acquaintance continued. "You are not here to understand, but to experience. The next level of rank here is many times greater than what we have. Each level after is that much greater than the previous one. It is not just that each level has an even more glorious spiritual body, but that each level is closer to the throne where all of the glory comes from. Even so, I no longer feel the grief of my failure. I really deserve nothing. I am here by grace alone, and I am so thankful for what I have. He is so worthy to be loved. I could be doing many wondrous things now in the different realms of heaven, but I would rather stay here and just behold the glory, even if I am on the outer fringes."

Then, with a distant look in his eyes, he added, "Everyone in heaven is now in this room to watch His great mystery unfold, and to watch those of you who will fight the last battle." "Can you see Him from here?" I asked. "I see His glory far away, but I cannot see Him."

"I can see many times better than you can," he answered. "And yes, I can see Him, and all that He is doing, even from here. I can also hear Him. I can also behold the earth. He gave us all that power. We are the great cloud of witnesses who are beholding you."

He departed back into the ranks and I began walking again, trying to understand all that he had said to me. As I looked over the great host that he had said were the foolish virgins, the ones who had spiritually slept away their life on earth, I knew that if any one of them appeared on earth now that they would be worshiped as gods, and yet they were the very least of those who were here!

I then began to think of all of the time that I had wasted in my life. It was such an overwhelming thought that I stopped. Then parts of my life began to pass before me. I began to experience a terrible grief over this one sin. I too had been one of the greatest of fools! I may have kept more oil in my lamp than others, but now I knew how foolish I had been to measure what was required of me by how others were doing. I, too, was one of the foolish virgins!" (Pastor Rick Joyner, The Final Quest).

 

[ClementofA]

What I don't understand is how "few" and "many" can't talk about the same situation. Many may be called and few chosen AND the way might be narrow and few may find it, and yet those few--relative to all who ever existed--may still be the "great multitude that no man could number" that is spoken of in Revelation 7:9.

If Paul had ever read or heard of Jesus' words about "few", it would be ridiculous for him to write "many". Especially in a context that parallels it with the "many" (& all) who were lost via Adam. Also why wouldn't the Holy Spirit be consistent in His thoughts?

And, that would be much more in sync with the whole of Scripture than the idea that all are saved.

Not IMO.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

 

[DennisTate]

If Paul had ever read or heard of Jesus' words about "few", it would be ridiculous for him to write "many". Especially in a context that parallels it with the "many" (& all) who were lost via Adam. Also why wouldn't the Holy Spirit be consistent in His thoughts?



Not IMO.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

I just started the book that you give the link to.......
and I am really impressed........

I would like to leave you with a quotation to begin to answer page one of this book........

Former atheist Howard Storm asks about holocaust during his NDE?!


Howard Storm:

"I asked how God could let the Holocaust of World War II happen. We were transported to a railway station as a long train of freight cars was being unloaded of its human cargo. The guards were screaming and beating the people into submission. The people were Jewish men, women, and children. Exhausted from hunger and thirst, they were totally disoriented from the ordeal of being rounded up and sent on a long journey to an unknown destination. They believed that they were going to work camps, and that their submission to the brutality of the guards was the only way to survive.

We went to the area where the selection process was taking place and heard the guards talking about "the Angel Maker." We went to the place the guards were referring to as "the Angel Maker," which was a series of ovens. I saw piles of naked corpses being loaded into the ovens, and I began to cry. ...."These are the people God loves." Then he said, "Look up." Rising out of the smoke of the chimneys, I saw hundreds of people being met by thousands of angels taking them up into the sky. There was great joy in the faces of the people, and there appeared to be no trace of a memory of the horrendous suffering they had just endured. How ironic that the guards sarcastically called the ovens "the Angel Maker."
...
I asked how God could allow this to happen. They told me that this was not God's will. This was an abomination to God. God wants this never to happen again. This was the sacrifice of an innocent people to whom God had given the law to be an example, a light, to the rest of the world. This Holocaust was breaking God's heart...."

I asked, Why does God let things like this happen? They told me that God was very unhappy with the course of human history and was going to intervene to change the world. God had watched us sink to depths of depravity and cruelty at the very time that he was giving us the instruments to make the world a godlier world. God had intervened in the world many times before, but this time God was going to change the course of human events.// (Howard Storm, My Descent Into Death, page 42,43)

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

If Paul had ever read or heard of Jesus' words about "few", it would be ridiculous for him to write "many". Especially in a context that parallels it with the "many" (& all) who were lost via Adam. Also why wouldn't the Holy Spirit be consistent in His thoughts?



Not IMO.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

The Holy Spirit is consistent. I explained why. You ignored it. You are free to your opinion.

So, what if you are wrong? Would you still follow a God that doesn't save everyone--that even lets those not found in the Book of Life burn in the lake of fire forever--if the real God actually does?

 

[Johnny4ChristJesus]

B

Pastor Rick Joyner has added another fascinating
possibility to the whole mix with the idea.......
that the "outer darkness" of heaven............
could truly be a part of heaven.......
where the expectations are much, much, much, lower........

The Final Quest [English] Rick Joyner

The Truth of Grace
......

But, in outer darkness, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. That doesn't seem like heaven to me.

 

[DennisTate]

B


But, in outer darkness, there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. That doesn't seem like heaven to me.

True.... it doesn't does it......
but I believe that the key is that the Bible predicts a Life Review.........
and even a Christian, if they accomplish very little for G-d.... and live only
for self.......... can find the Life Review very embarrassing....... and it can seem to
take as long as our life on earth took with the time difference in heaven...... and in the outskirts of heaven...... .Or as Bob Jones stated it there are three levels to heaven..... and he only felt comfortable in the first level but the light and levels of energy in the second and third levels were something that he could not get used to in a matter of minutes.

Looking me straight in the eyes, he continued, "The Lord also loves us with a love greater than you can yet understand. Before His judgment seat I tasted the greatest darkness of soul and remorse that can be experienced. Though here we do not measure time as you do, it seemed to last for as long as my life on earth had lasted. All of my sins and follies which I had not repented of passed before me, and before all who are here. The grief of this you cannot understand until you have experienced it. I felt that I was in the deepest dungeon of hell, even as I stood before the Lord. He was resolute until my life had been completely reviewed. When I said I was sorry and asked for the mercy of His cross, He wiped away my tears and took away the great darkness. He looked at me with a love that was beyond anything that you can now understand. He gave me this robe. I no longer feel the darkness or bitterness that I knew as I stood before Him, but I remember it. Only here can you remember such things without continuing to feel the pain. A moment in the lowest part of heaven is much greater than a thousand years of the highest life on earth. Now my mourning at my folly has been turned into joy, and I know that I will know joy forever, even if I am in the lowest place in heaven."(Rick Joyner, The Final Quest)

The Life Review is a critical aspect of a near death experience to determine if it is the real deal or not.........
Hebrews 9:27

"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:"

Douay-Rheims Catholic Bible, Baruch Chapter 6

[6] For my angel is with you: And I myself will demand an account of your souls." (Baruch 6:6)

Even though the Book of Baruch was written before the time of Rabbi Yeshua - Jesus I believe it must have been the Word / Logos, a member of the Elohim of Genesis 1, in H-s eternal form..... who was judging people.

John 5:22

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son:"

The Life Review part of the near death experience of former Atheist Howard Storm played a huge role in his dramatic conversion.

Reverend Howard Storm's Near-Death Experience

3. The Life Review of Howard Storm

Next, they wanted to talk about my life. To my surprise my life played out before me, maybe six or eight feet in front of me, from beginning to end.


The life review was very much in their control, and they showed me my life, but not from my point of view. I saw me in my life and this whole thing was a lesson, even though I didn't know it at the time. They were trying to teach me something, but I didn't know it was a teaching experience, because I didn't know that I would be coming back. We just watched my life from beginning to the end. Some things they slowed down on, and zoomed in on and other things they went right through......

 

[DennisTate]

The purpose of the Life Review part of a near death experience is to assist a Christian to become humble...... because G-d cannot let people into heaven who are proud.......
or they would soon turn heaven into another hell.......

Isaiah 57:15

For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place, with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones."

Since Lucifer / Satan.... G-d has never attempted to dwell with proud people..... or Cherubs.

Eze 28:14

Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee

 

[ClementofA]

The Holy Spirit is consistent. I explained why. You ignored it. You are free to your opinion.

So, what if you are wrong? Would you still follow a God that doesn't save everyone--that even lets those not found in the Book of Life burn in the lake of fire forever--if the real God actually does?

I'm not wrong.

And Jesus said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

1 Jn.2:27 But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

https://www.tentmaker.org/books/hope_beyond_hell.pdf

 

[DennisTate]

Harold Pittman also received a vision confirming these percentages back in 1980, but I'm wondering what they would be now. I doubt they'd be much different yet. Very little has changed, although I do agree with you that the prophecies (and even scripture itself) suggest the harvest is coming eventually.

I am reading the updated version of Heaven is For Real about the near death experience of little Colton Burpo..... and I am intrigued that Colton's grandfather did in fact go to a Revival meeting several days before his death........
and did raise his hand when asked if anybody wanted to give their life to Jesus.

Could Colton's grandfather have met with him..... during his NDE...... if he had NOT done that?????????????

 

[Strong in Him]

Wow.... this is scary.... Bob Jones was shown 98 percent of people are lost... and only two percent are saved.........

2% of what? The entire population of the earth throughout history?
That would still add up to a few billion.

For many are called, but few are chosen.

Are you saying that we God calls many to be his children, but actually only chooses to save a few?

 

[DennisTate]

2% of what? The entire population of the earth throughout history?
That would still add up to a few billion.



Are you saying that we God calls many to be his children, but actually only chooses to save a few?

I am now reading the updated movie version of Heaven is For Real about the near death experiencer of then three year old Colton Burpo.

An entire chapter was devoted to how often Jesus repeated to Colton... that Jesus loves children...... so if we took the admonition serious to become like children........

... the percentage of us that can enter heaven... could greatly increase.

Matthew 18:3

And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

[Strong in Him]

... the percentage of us that can enter heaven... could greatly increase.

It will if people receive, accept and trust in the Lord Jesus - who is our Saviour and the author and perfector of our faith - for salvation.
Otherwise, no.

 

[DennisTate]

Harold Pittman also received a vision confirming these percentages back in 1980, but I'm wondering what they would be now. I doubt they'd be much different yet. Very little has changed, although I do agree with you that the prophecies (and even scripture itself) suggest the harvest is coming eventually.

I do believe that the percentage of saved people should increase as more and more of the Holy Spirit is poured out on all flesh.

I just listened to this today... Wow!