Manhattan DA meets w Law Enforcement over Trump indictment

[Tinker Grey]

Only been a few years..? We’re talking YEARS. It should have been within months for such a high profile case.

Clearly the timing is suspicious.

Don't be silly. A suit against Gwyneth Paltrow (and a counter suit) started today. The accident that this is about occurred in 2016 -- 7 YEARS AGO. (Gwyneth Paltrow's lawyer calls Utah ski collision story ‘BS’) A man assaulted my daughter. She filed with the police 3 years ago. 3 YEARS AGO. She was told (there's corroborating evidence) that it was an easy deal. 3 YEARS AGO. Nothing.

2 years after Trump leaves office...seems perfectly expeditious.

 

[Larniavc]

Clearly the timing is suspicious.

At what point, in your opinion would the timing have not been suspicious?

 

[rambot]

I would be surprised if there were any serious protests but this whole thing simply confirms his narrative that he has been treated unfairly and will no doubt result in a significant increase in his supporters. Trump is no doubt enjoying this foolishness immensely as his popularity with the voters increases.

Sorry? His popularity is increasing? Rocketing up from 41.7 to 41.8 over to weeks where it went up and then down in between.

His popularity has been basically flatline since april 21 shifting only.

All that's happenning is his followers get DEEPER entrenched, he doesn't get MORE of them. Don't confuse the depths certain people's love for him as an INCREASE in the number of people falling for him.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Because the DA waited all those years to intentionally influence a presidential election, creating a scandal.

When would you propose he'd have done this? Presidential elections are 48 months apart and the next one isn't for 20 months. It would be hard for him to be further in either direction from an election. If he'd done it immediately after the 2020 election, then it's likely that news of the investigation would've leaked before the election and influence the vote then. Given how long our presidential election cycles last, there's virtually no time that would've met your standard.

 

[Belk]

Because the DA waited all those years to intentionally influence a presidential election, creating a scandal.

We can’t mix political activism with the application of the law like that.

…We Need checks and balances.

Again, based on what evidence? Just making a claim and pursuing it without evidence is political persecution.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

Poor Professor Higgins Donald Trump!
They’ve been after this good, honest, loving soul for years and he’s borne it all with grace, humility and dignity!

While I can certainly appreciate in the humor in this (thus my laugh react), this does have a "Capone" feel to it...where they tried their best to get him on everything else, and had to resort to something like this to try to "punish him for something"

In some ways, it makes some folks come off looking weak and petty.

Plus, I don't think this is the long-term win that some people think it will be.

If the goal was to "make Trump unelectable", this may work for that, but the prize is "Biden has to try to publicly debate DeSantis"...which isn't going to go well for the 2024 version of Biden. The 2008 Biden could go toe-to-toe with DeSantis on a debate stage, but that's not the current version of Biden.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Biden's lying doesn't make Trump's lying any better. The trick with Trump is trying to find a truthful statement. And he might just have made one this time. We'll see.

Trump- https://www.npr.org/2019/02/15/6950...l-emergency-to-help-fund-southern-border-wall

There's a crisis at the southern border.


Democrats- No there isn't.

Cost of Joe Biden’s open borders: $200 billion, paid by you

An internal City Hall memo says President Joe Biden’s open border will cost New York City taxpayers $4.2 billion through the middle of next year.

www.google.com

200 billion. Even if you assume that number has been wildly inflated and it's closer to 50 billion....that's a lot more than the 5 billion he wanted to fix the problem. Now we've been infiltrated by terrorists and human traffickers and who knows who else....

We can agree that Trump got that one right, can't we?

 

[hislegacy]

NEVER FORGET: In 2018, Stormy Daniels said she never had an affair with Trump. In fact, she said it was all made up to get money.

Stormy lost her lawsuit against Trump and was ordered to pay him $300k for legal fees, and her lawyer was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

Just to keep things in perspective

 

[iluvatar5150]

NEVER FORGET: In 2018, Stormy Daniels said she never had an affair with Trump.

When she was bound by an NDA. She later described the affair.

In fact, she said it was all made up to get money.

Where did she say this?

Stormy lost her lawsuit against Trump and was ordered to pay him $300k for legal fees, and her lawyer was sentenced to 14 years in prison.

Just to keep things in perspective

What perspective is that, exactly?

 

[hislegacy]

What perspective is that, exactly?

Exactly reality

 

[disciple Clint]

I can't speak for liberals, but given that we've had the story that local, state and federal law enforcement officials have been coordinating, Donald has been ranting on Troth Sentcial since this weekend and NYC has been bringing out barricades, I think most people are reading the tea leaves, not taking Donald at his word per se.

Yes Trump is getting a lot of free publicity and his support is growing as more and more people see just exactly how unfairly he has been treated. He is enjoying the benefits and encouraging the DA to do even more.

 

[disciple Clint]

Sorry? His popularity is increasing? Rocketing up from 41.7 to 41.8 over to weeks where it went up and then down in between.

His popularity has been basically flatline since april 21 shifting only.

All that's happenning is his followers get DEEPER entrenched, he doesn't get MORE of them. Don't confuse the depths certain people's love for him as an INCREASE in the number of people falling for him.

MAGA voters say an indictment would help Trump's 2024 presidential bid

In a post on his Truth Social platform Saturday, Trump predicted that he would be indicted Tuesday in a case in New York involving alleged hush money payments.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/20/politics/trump-possible-indictment-implications/index.html

 

[essentialsaltes]

MAGA voters say an indictment would help Trump's 2024 presidential bid

In a post on his Truth Social platform Saturday, Trump predicted that he would be indicted Tuesday in a case in New York involving alleged hush money payments.

www.nbcnews.com

Bonnie & Clyde and Dillinger also got popular for being targeted by the feds. This was not a reason to forgo justice.

If anything, this implied 'argument' demonstrates that the prosecution is not politically motivated.

 

[Occams Barber]

Yes Trump is getting a lot of free publicity and his support is growing as more and more people see just exactly how unfairly he has been treated. He is enjoying the benefits and encouraging the DA to do even more.

As of 20 March (your yesterday) Trump's popularity has barely shifted.
OB

Donald Trump : Favorability Polls

The latest political polls and polling averages from FiveThirtyEight.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

 

[Gene2memE]

Cost of Joe Biden’s open borders: $200 billion, paid by you

An internal City Hall memo says President Joe Biden’s open border will cost New York City taxpayers $4.2 billion through the middle of next year.

www.google.com

200 billion. Even if you assume that number has been wildly inflated and it's closer to 50 billion....

Count the costs, but don't count the benefits.

Academic studies of the economic impact of illegal immigration into the US find that it is at worst a net neutral for the economy. The vast majority of studies, by non-partisan, right and left leaning groups find a net benefit to the US economy.

Even conservative organisations like the CATO Institute, American Enterprise Institute or Heritage Foundation find that there is a net economic benefit to immigrants - even for illegal immigrants. (CATO just released a 'UGE white paper on the topic: https://www.cato.org/white-paper/fiscal-impact-immigration-united-states#executive-summary.)

You have to get into REALLY dubious sources like the Center for Immigration Studies or FAIR before you start getting into territory where illegal immigration is a cost to the economy. And, it is childishly simple to look at their methodologies and work out that they're largely working backwards to arrive at presupposed conclusion. To quote the CATO Institute, such studies "vastly overstates the costs of illegal immigration and totally ignores the benefits."

The main negative impact from illegal immigration appears to be on the wages of males without a high-school diploma in blue collar/industrial roles. Competition from illegal immigration has reduced their wages by an estimated 4% to 12%, depending on the study.

Meanwhile, the positive economic impacts of granting citizenship to 8-11 million undocumented migrants has been estimated by left leaning sources (including the current White House) at between $100 billion and $170 billion per year and by more conservative sources at $58 to $115 billion.

Another study pegs migrants as having a net positive impact on federal taxes of around $9 billion and for state taxes of around $7 billion. Yet another puts illegal immigrants contribution to federal taxes at more than $11 billion and for state and local taxes at nearly $12 billion.

that's a lot more than the 5 billion he wanted to fix the problem.

$5 billion wouldn't have fixed the problem.

In 2016 MIT priced a partial (1000 mile) border wall at $38-40 billion

Initial DHS projections in 2017 were $21.6 billion over nearly 4 years for 1235 miles (a cost of $17.5 million per mile), plus ongoing costs of more than $1.7 billion per year once completed. Follow up DHS projections in 2020 were $18 billion for construction of just 722 miles (about $25 million per milt).

Trump White House estimates in 2018 were that construction of a southern border system required $25 billion, at a cost of about $33 million per mile.

The CATO Institute projected in 2019 that the cost would be $59.8 billion for 1637 miles, based on numbers from the Office of Budget Management. They also estimated that it would cost nearly $865,000 per mile to man and maintain such a fence - or more than $1.6 billion per year.

Now we've been infiltrated by terrorists and human traffickers and who knows who else....

Keep up that fear mongering. Gold star for you!

 

[Ceallaigh]

Somebody wake me up when something actually happens to Trump.

 

[Ana the Ist]

Count the costs, but don't count the benefits.

Academic studies of the economic impact of illegal immigration into the US find that it is at worst a net neutral for the economy. The vast majority of studies, by non-partisan, right and left leaning groups find a net benefit to the US economy.

Even conservative organisations like the CATO Institute, American Enterprise Institute or Heritage Foundation find that there is a net economic benefit to immigrants - even for illegal immigrants. (CATO just released a 'UGE white paper on the topic: https://www.cato.org/white-paper/fiscal-impact-immigration-united-states#executive-summary.)

You have to get into REALLY dubious sources like the Center for Immigration Studies or FAIR before you start getting into territory where illegal immigration is a cost to the economy. And, it is childishly simple to look at their methodologies and work out that they're largely working backwards to arrive at presupposed conclusion. To quote the CATO Institute, such studies "vastly overstates the costs of illegal immigration and totally ignores the benefits."

The main negative impact from illegal immigration appears to be on the wages of males without a high-school diploma in blue collar/industrial roles. Competition from illegal immigration has reduced their wages by an estimated 4% to 12%, depending on the study.

Meanwhile, the positive economic impacts of granting citizenship to 8-11 million undocumented migrants has been estimated by left leaning sources (including the current White House) at between $100 billion and $170 billion per year and by more conservative sources at $58 to $115 billion.

Another study pegs migrants as having a net positive impact on federal taxes of around $9 billion and for state taxes of around $7 billion. Yet another puts illegal immigrants contribution to federal taxes at more than $11 billion and for state and local taxes at nearly $12 billion.



$5 billion wouldn't have fixed the problem.

In 2016 MIT priced a partial (1000 mile) border wall at $38-40 billion

Initial DHS projections in 2017 were $21.6 billion over nearly 4 years for 1235 miles (a cost of $17.5 million per mile), plus ongoing costs of more than $1.7 billion per year once completed. Follow up DHS projections in 2020 were $18 billion for construction of just 722 miles (about $25 million per milt).

Trump White House estimates in 2018 were that construction of a southern border system required $25 billion, at a cost of about $33 million per mile.

The CATO Institute projected in 2019 that the cost would be $59.8 billion for 1637 miles, based on numbers from the Office of Budget Management. They also estimated that it would cost nearly $865,000 per mile to man and maintain such a fence - or more than $1.6 billion per year.



Keep up that fear mongering. Gold star for you!

Your study addresses the financial impact of immigrants....not illegal immigrants. I read as far as the description of "immigrants" according to the study....but it's also clear from the study methods....that they aren't talking about illegal immigrants at all.

Also the study ends in 2018 before the historic levels of illegal immigration under Biden.

Fail. Next time you accuse me of fear mongering, at least use real sources of information not disinformation.

Even a quick check with The Heritage Foundation

Shocking Cost of the Illegal Immigration Crisis to Americans

As record numbers of illegal aliens continue to flood across our southern border, they are being dispersed into every congressional district in the country, making every state a border state. We’re told they’re merely coming to seek a better life.

www.heritage.org

Shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The net drain on Illinois alone is expected to be 4.5 billion in 2022.

Even if I was dumb enough to not notice the dates, or the fact that the one study you cited was on legal immigration, I still have common sense.

Anyone alive today that lives in the US knows just how expensive it is, how difficult it can be just to get by, and how much money and education it takes to stay out of debt and well above the poverty line. We're living in a US where many people making 50k-80k a year with a college degree are struggling....

Yet you want me to believe that some 50 year old Guatemalan or a 8 year old Honduran is somehow not only not a financial drain on the economy, but somehow, magically making us rich?

How does that possibly even make sense to you? Nobody disagrees that illegals are a financial drain...the only question is how much.

 

[USincognito]

Yes Trump is getting a lot of free publicity and his support is growing as more and more people see just exactly how unfairly he has been treated. He is enjoying the benefits and encouraging the DA to do even more.

I'm sorry, but it's getting harder and harder to discern Donald's ardently faithful supporters from people engaging in Colbertesque performance art. This comment is

 

[rambot]

MAGA voters say an indictment would help Trump's 2024 presidential bid

In a post on his Truth Social platform Saturday, Trump predicted that he would be indicted Tuesday in a case in New York involving alleged hush money payments.

www.nbcnews.com

https://www.cnn.com/2023/03/20/politics/trump-possible-indictment-implications/index.html

ROFL!
That EXACTLY matches with my previous point; the depth of their passion and worship does NOT create MORE voters for trump.

 

[childeye 2]

If their primary goal was to influence a presidential election, as political operatives, and not based solely on *normal* applications of the law for typical criminal purposes..? Then what they’ve done is outside their “duties”. It should be considered a scandal, and treated as such.

First, we need to know why it was back-burnered for so many years. We need sworn testimony.

It may have been William Barr that slowed this down.