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No, it just reflects the realities that pregnant women who mysteriously are no longer pregnant are suspects of a crime, and we investigate when we think a crime might have been committed.
15-50% of pregnancies, depending on maternal age and other factors such as past losses or infertility issues, result in a loss. The number of natural losses in the US are somewhere between 2.3 and 5.4 million depending on reporting year (all time high being in 1994 and a peak again in 2005, with an average of around 2-3 million for the other years, see CDC link below).
By comparison, somewhere around 1.3 million abortions occur yearly, though the CDC puts it much lower (remember, the AGI terms all incomplete losses that require medical intervention to complete the loss or non-viable due to incomplete loss pregnancies that are terminated as abortions, while the CDC only terms electively selected for no medical reason terminations as abortions which could explain why AGI says there's 1.3 abortions yearly and the CDC says 800k).
So when you have 800k - 1.3 abortions yearly, and at the very lowest, 2.3 million losses, that means that roughly (and I mean very roughly, when you take highest possible abortions to lowest possible losses into account, and my bad math skills) 2/3 of losses that occur each year are completely natural and not due to abortion.
When you consider that, then consider that only about half of unintended pregnancies end in abortion, meaning that half of accidental pregnancies don't get aborted while just shy of half of intended pregnancies end in abortion, you can't even pin down a for certain demographic to profile a woman as potential aborter... Half of accidental pregnancies aren't aborted as it stands, while just shy of half of intended pregnancies are.
As such, there is no reason to assume that:
A. A woman who was pregnant and is not now probably had an abortion. Statistically speaking a loss is far, far, far more likely due to a natural causes, especially in certain age groups (women over 42 and women under 18) and women with certain issues (past infertility, history of losses, so on).
B. A woman who is pregnant, even if the pregnancy was accidental as about 50% of total pregnancies per year are, will end up getting an abortion, is at higher risk for abortion, or can be profiled as potential aborter before a loss, or as a suspected aborter after a loss.
C. That a planned or intended pregnancy is not going to, for some reason, require that an abortion need to occur.
D. That the ratio to natural loss vs abortion is to such a degree that there's even probable cause to investigate any loss, considering no set demographic of losses as potential abortions can be established, that any loss as a potential abortion. To assume that would be like assuming that all people who come to a hospital end end up dying are dead due to somebody murdering them, not due to a natrual, non-human induced cause.
Do you think that abortion ought to be illegal at all then, tropical?
I think abortion is a terrible thing. I think that it's unfortunate and awful that we live in a time and society where people feel that abortion is their only option. I think it's unfortunate and awful that abortions need to occur for medical reasons. I think it's bloody awful that pregnancies occur, no matter how large or small the number may be, due to rape or incest and that women have to weigh out, on top of dealing with the crime that was done against them, if they want to be a parent. I think it's awful that women who deal with a loss have to hear a loss was incomplete and that they need medical intervention to induce a complete loss and that, while they wanted the baby and wanted to be pregnant, they are now classified as women who elected to abort a pregnancy and are statistically reported as such with no consideration of viability.
I also think, in spite of all of that terrible, terrible stuff, and in spite of my own personal desire to see the social, cultural, and medical need for abortion to decrease, to see the number of all abortions decrease... Decrease either because medical advancements make it possible to save pregnancies that couldn't be previously saved or we live in a society that is more supportive to women who are pregnant and at risk for abortion... I'd like to see the decreases occur due to: b
A. Better education on the prevention of pregnancy and increased access to birth control that's effective and affordable for at-risk women AND men
B. Medical advancements that make it possible to help women at risk of loss maintain their pregnancy
C. Support programs for women during pregnancy AND after pregnancy to help them maintain the pregnancy and support their new family s
D. Successful prosecution and punishment for sexual offenders that actually deters others from sexual offenses that could result in a pregnancy due to a crime
E. Because there is a sharp increase of resources available to women AND men AND families regardless of race, religion, income level, social standing, marital status, age, etc that occurs not just during pregnancy, but before, during, and after the pregnancy. Assistance that doesn't come on the condition of agreeing to a philosophy, creed, religion, political group or belief, or an agreement to keep the baby or put him or her up for adoption... Help that's just help because there's an identified need that has to be filled and that need isn't exploited to force agreement to an agenda that may be all too attractive when one is desperate.
However, I do not want to see abortion rates decrease because we've legislated pregnancy into something that's strictly overseen and monitored in all ways by the government, that women (who are more at risk for natural loss than loss through abortion) are assumed to be criminals if they were pregnant and are now not, or because we've decided to attack the family unit as a whole, sacraficing the rights of everybody, because somebody got pregnant. Pregnancy is not, nor should it ever, be treated as the first step to a crime, nor should we ever, ever, ever see a loss as a crime waiting to be uncovered that a woman has to defend herself from a Secret Police-style inquisition that occurs outside of the judicial legal system and only occurs in the investigative legal system, thus voiding any hope of innocent until proven guilty.
Like it or not, innocent until proven guilty means our legal system would rather default to allowing a guilty person go free than an innocent person go to jail. If banning abortion means that a woman who experiences a loss that is more than statistically likely to be due to something totally beyond her control, then no, there is absolutely no way I'd ever support such legislation. I do not want to see women treated as potential murderers because they're pregnant.
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