Lucifer in Isaiah 14 can't be anyone else but Satan...

[Sammy-San]

So is Gabriel not a name anymore? Is it merely a Hebrew word that means man of God? Or can it be both? Can Lucifer be both as well?


H1403
גּבריאל
gabrı̂y'êl
gab-ree-ale'
From H1397 and H410; man of God; Gabriel, an archangel: - Gabriel.

People say hebrew isnt the heavenly language.

Isnt Heylel the enemy's angelic name?

 

[Sammy-San]

The first sentence isn't good enough as evidence. The second is a reference to Satan's way governing not his personal appearance. Scripture says Satan is disguised as an angel of light which is the opposite of appearing monstrous.

someone on YT said.

Spiritual darkness is hatred towards humility, generosity, honesty, it is being filled with envy, bitterness, arrogance and so on. When you are filled with such attributes, you will look like those attributes as well which is not beautiful.

 

[UN161]

So is Gabriel not a name anymore? Is it merely a Hebrew word that means man of God? Or can it be both? Can Lucifer be both as well?


H1403
גּבריאל
gabrı̂y'êl
gab-ree-ale'
From H1397 and H410; man of God; Gabriel, an archangel: - Gabriel.

No that doesn't fit at all in the same line of thinking, Lucifer was never a name, Is not a name, In 2nd peter in latin it describes jesus as lucifer (morning star) because lucifer is an adjective not a name. The KJV translators left that word in there because they were not sure how to translate it, so they left a latin word in there and now many people are confused.

 

[UN161]

So if they left lucifer in in 2nd Peter would you tell me it's another name for Jesus? If you look at the Bible in Latin you'll see the connection and why modern translation don't have Lucifer in Isaiah.

 

[he-man]

Are you saying Lucifer is not the BEAST? Who is like unto the beast?

Huh?
The author of Daniel envisions no sectarian enemy, either human or divine. Grieved as he is at Israel's sins, he never condemns man''. Much less the majority, of his people as apostate; Consequently, he never speaks of Satan, Sernihazah, Azazel, Mastema, Belial, or fallen angels of any kind.
.Although there are no devils in Daniel's world. there are angels, and there are enemies. The author presents the alien enemies, rulers of the Persian, Medean, and Hellenistic empires, in traditional visionary imagery, as monstrous beasts. In one vision, the first beast is `'like a lion with eagles" wings"; the second "like a bear," Ferociously devouring its prey; the third like a leopard "with four wings of a bird on its back and four heads"; and "a fourth beast [is] terrible and dreadful and exceedingly strong; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and broke in pieces, and stamped the residue with its feet." In another vision, Daniel sees a horned ram that the angel Gabriel explains to him "is the king of Greece." Throughout the visions of Daniel, such monstrous animals represent foreign rulers and nations who threaten Israel. When Daniel, trembling with awe and terror, prays for his people, he is rewarded with divine assurance that all Israelites who remain true to God will survive (12:1-3). Thus the book of Daniel powerfully reaffirms the integrity of Israel's moral and ethnic identity. It is for this reason, I suggest, that Daniel, unlike such other apocalyptic books as the Book of the Watchers and Jubilees, is included in the canonical collection that we call the Hebrew Bible and not relegated to the apocrypha. 54-56 / THE ORIGIN OF SATAN Copyright 1995 by Eileen Pagels and scanned from MY Book.
גַּבְרִיאֵל Gabrîyʼêl, gab-ree-ale'; from H1397 and H410; man of God; Gabriel, an archangel:—Garbriel. Lexicon : Strong's H1403
I.Gabriel = "warrior of God" or "man of God"
A.an archangel; the angel God used to send messages of great importance to man; sent to Daniel, to Zacharias, and to Mary

 

[ewq1938]

No that doesn't fit at all in the same line of thinking

Obviously it is the same. A word or term can and is also used as a name. Lucifer is as much a name as any other name.

 

[ewq1938]

So if they left lucifer in in 2nd Peter would you tell me it's another name for Jesus? .

Lucifer is not a bad or evil name.

 

[UN161]

Lucifer is not a bad or evil name.

so is morning star a name? any adjective can be a name then?

 

[ewq1938]

so is morning star a name? any adjective can be a name then?

When it's talking about a certain person, like Gabriel etc. In many languages a name has a meaning as well as being a name. Einstein means "one stone" in German yet it was also a last name.

Lucifer was a name of someone. Many think a human king of Babylon, others think it's Satan.

 

[UN161]

When it's talking about a certain person, like Gabriel etc. In many languages a name has a meaning as well as being a name. Einstein means "one stone" in German yet it was also a last name.

Lucifer was a name of someone. Many think a human king of Babylon, others think it's Satan.

but lucifer is not in the original greek nor is an English word. i get what your saying though. But I dont see how you get satan when its talking about a kings burial.

 

[FrankDux]

Here is your list of Babylonian kings

List of kings of Babylon - Wikipedia

please show us which one had the sobriquet of " lucifer "

Thanks

 

[FrankDux]

also

The word is traditionally (following LXX) left untranslated (ABC, ACV, AKJ, ASV, BBE, BIB, ESV, GNV, HNV, JPS, K21, KJG, KJR, KJV, NAB, NKJ, NRS, NWT, RSV, RWB, TMB, TNK, UPD, WEB, YLT, LXE, ZIK), but some modern English Bible translations render it as "zodiac" (AMP, CJB, EMP, LEE); others have "constellations" (CJB, CSB, DBY, NET, ERV, GWN, LEE, LIT, MKJ, NAS, NAU, NIB, NIV, TNV, WEV) or "stars" (CEV, NCB, NIR, NLV, TEV).

But as the Latin Vulgate renders the word as "luciferum", there are alternative English translations as "morning star" (CVB, TRC, also Luther's 1545 German translation, as Morgenstern); "day star" (DRA); "Venus" (MSG); "Crown season" (NJB); "sequence of seasons" (NLT); "Lucifer, 'that is, dai sterre (day star)" (Wycliffe's Bible). WES[clarification needed] gives "stars in the southern signs".

Translators' Notes given in individual translations are:

• Geneva: Certain stars so called, some think they were the twelve signs.
• KJV/KGB: {Mazzaroth: or, the twelve signs}
• NAS/NAU: perh. "a constellation"
• NET: The word מַּזָּלֹות; (mazzarot) is taken by some to refer to the constellations (see 2 Kings 23:5), and by others as connected to the word for "crown," and so "corona."
• NIB/NIV: {32 Or the morning star in its season}

If you doubt that that the Book of Revelation was written with " Babylonian " procedural texts, then explain why the terminology is taken out of procedural texts

word for word

right here:

Thanks

 

[he-man]

also But as the Latin Vulgate renders the word as "luciferum", there are alternative English translations as "morning star" (CVB, TRC, also Luther's 1545 German translation, as Morgenstern); "day star" (DRA); "Venus" (MSG); "Crown season" (NJB); "sequence of seasons" (NLT); "Lucifer, 'that is, dai sterre (day star)" (Wycliffe's Bible). WES[clarification needed] gives "stars in the southern signs". Thanks

But in truth, the question touches on two mysteries, the relation of the infinite to the finite sρirit, and the permission of the existence of evil under the government of Him whom is "the Good." As a part of these it must be viewed —to the latter esρecially it belongs; and this latter, while it is the great mystery of all, is also one in which the facts are proved to us by incontrovertible evidence.—Smith, s. v.
Deliver us from evil.— (1) that the new rendering " the evil one " is an innovation in language, the word wicked being invariably used by the Authorized Version in speaking of Satan; (2) that it narrows the broad, comprehensive sense of the Greek; (3) that it implies incompleteness in the deliverance already accomplished by our Lord; (4) that it has no counterpart or justification in the New Testament ; (5) that it is opposed to the interpretation adopted by all the Churches of Western Christendom ; and (6) that it absolutely ignores the safeguard supplied by the Doxology, laid by all the best expositors of the Greek Church, from Chrysostom onwards. Cook. The Revised Version...p. 61-62
The belief of the Hebrews down to the Babylonian exile seems but dimly to have recognized either Satan or demons, at least as a dogmatic tenet, nor had it many occasions for them, since it treated moral evils as a properly humans act (comp. Gen. 3), and always as subjective and concrete, but regarded misfortunes according to teleological axioms, as a punishment deserved on account of sin at the hand of a righteous God, who inflicted it especially by the agency of one of his angels (2 Sam. 24,16; comp. 2 kings xix, 35), and was according looked upon as the proper author of every afflictive disρensation (Amos 3, 64, Apparitions were part of the ρoρular creed : there were beings inimical to mankind inhabiting solitude, but not yet adopted in the association of religious ideas.
Pro 16:4 The LORD hath made all things for himself: yea, even the wicked for the day of evil. Ps 1:5 Therefore the ungodly shall not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous. 6 For the LORD knoweth the way of the righteous: but the way of the ungodly shall perish.
Isa 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?
Rom 9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour? 22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
Job 16:11 God hath delivered me to the ungodly, and turned me over into the hands of the wicked.
Job 36:17 But thou hast fulfilled the judgment of the wicked: judgment and justice take hold on thee. "It is a sentiment which is undoubtedly true - that if a man holds the sentiments, and manifests the spirit of the wicked, he must expect to be treated as they are." [BARNES]
Job 34:25 Therefore he knoweth their works, and he overturneth them in the night, so that they are destroyed. 26 He striketh them as wicked men in the open sight of others;
" judgment so that they are destroyed; both in a temporal sense, on every side, with an utter destruction; and in a spiritual sense, with an everlasting one." [GILL]

 

[Kelly McArthur]

Have you ever thought about the ego that's manifested from the psyche of the flesh and enters into the mind and he wears many hats, he's called a copy cat and blind one. He steals the light of the soul that is man's higher intelligence and surrounds himself & creates with it, thinking how clever & smart he is; he has no idea where the light came from. He imagines himself eternal & likes to think of himself as wise and enjoys the praise & honour of men. Lord Jesus know all about the ego in man and how the flesh cannot inherit eternal life.

 

[he-man]

Have you ever thought about the ego that's manifested from the psyche of the flesh and enters into the mind and he wears many hats, he's called a copy cat and blind one. He steals the light of the soul that is man's higher intelligence and surrounds himself & creates with it, thinking how clever & smart he is; he has no idea where the light came from. He imagines himself eternal & likes to think of himself as wise and enjoys the praise & honour of men. Lord Jesus know all about the ego in man and how the flesh cannot inherit eternal life.

Reading Isaiah 14:4 it is clear that it is spoken against the "King of Babylon" and his nation here. While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible. Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the monment Satan was thrown from heaven. Lucifer became another false name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition. The Satan doctrine is one of the most deceptive and corrupt doctrines to ever enter Christendom, and which has been embraced and promoted by false teachers for thousands of years. The true meaning of the word devil is FIEND see attached file:

 

[Dkh587]

I personally believe Heylel/Lucifer is the anti-Messiah

 

[Kelly McArthur]

I agree. What is missing is "the kingdom is within you" and "not take them out of this world but protect them from the evil one".

 

[Shempster]

It says "Is this the man that made the earth tremble and did shake kingdoms?"

Satan is not a man. And it's not written poetically or symbolic because the rest of it isn't.

So I don't know what to think really.

Look at King Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon who exalted himself and was made like an ox who eats grass.

Agreed, the text talks about the "Shining One". The name Lucifer is a Latin name, not Hebrew or Greek and does not belong in any translation.

 

[he-man]

Look at King Nebuchadnezzar, the king of Babylon who exalted himself and was made like an ox who eats grass. Agreed, the text talks about the "Shining One". The name Lucifer is a Latin name, not Hebrew or Greek and does not belong in any translation.

Yep, you got it!