Lucifer in Isaiah 14 can't be anyone else but Satan...

[Sammy-San]

I've repeatedly said Angels are men, but not human men. Please note the difference.

I've heard it said angels aren't made in God's image and humans are.

 

[ewq1938]

Are all angels male or are some female?

Angels are only male.

 

[Sammy-San]

Angels are only male.

Isn't male and female for reproduction?

 

[ewq1938]

Isn't male and female for reproduction?

Female is but male doesn't need to be.

Lucifer is called a man and that has been use to show he is human and can't be Satan yet an archangel is called a man as well so that means "man" can mean "male" not only "human male" so Lucifer being called a man doesn't mean he isn't a Cherub.

 

[Sammy-San]

Female is but male doesn't need to be.

Lucifer is called a man and that has been use to show he is human and can't be Satan yet an archangel is called a man as well so that means "man" can mean "male" not only "human male" so Lucifer being called a man doesn't mean he isn't a Cherub.

What do you mean by male isnt?

 

[ewq1938]

What do you mean by male isnt?

Your question doesn't make sense to me sorry.

 

[Sammy-San]

Your question doesn't make sense to me sorry.

Female is but male doesn't need to be.

 

[he-man]

Can we at least agree what angels look like doesn't matter-following God matters?

The “Devil”, then, is a symbol of lust and an vivid hypostatization of idolatry in aggregate. This language cannot be reconciled with the orthodox position.’ Stephen Snobelen, ‘Lust, Pride, And Ambition:
Isaac Newton And The Devil’, pages 7, 8,9,10,11,12 November 2002
2 Peter 1:19 And so we have the prophetic word confirmed, which you do well to heed as a light that shines in a dark place, until the day dawns and the morning star rises in your hearts; (20) knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, (21) for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit.
Reading Isa 14:4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible.
Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.
In mainstream Judaism there is no concept of a devil like in mainstream Christianity or Islam. In Hebrew, the biblical word ha-satan means "the adversary" or the obstacle, or even "the prosecutor" (recognizing that God is viewed as the ultimate Judge). Much "Satanic" lore does not originate from actual Satanists, but from Christians.
Daemons are not mentioned in the canonical books of the Old Test., unless (with many interpreters) we understand "the host of the high ones" in Isa. 24, 21 [the kings of the earth, comp. Dan. 8. 8), the “he goat”] (comp. Isa. 14, 12), and interpret the whole passage as referring to the punishment [of the King of Babylon].

 

[Sammy-San]

Isaiah was written in Hebrew. Lucifer is just the English rendition of the Hebrew name hêylêl after the Hebrew was translated into Latin and then later into English.

Lucifer of Cagliari - Wikipedia

 

[he-man]

Female is but male doesn't need to be.

Lucifer is called a man and that has been use to show he is human and can't be Satan yet an archangel is called a man as well so that means "man" can mean "male" not only "human male" so Lucifer being called a man doesn't mean he isn't a Cherub.

The belief of the Hebrews down to the Babylonian exile seems but dimly to have recognized either Satan or demons, at least as a dogmatic tenet, nor had it many occasions for them, since it treated moral evils as a properly humans act (comp. Gen. 3), and always as subjective and concrete, but regarded misfortunes according to teleological axioms, as a punishment deserved on account of sin at the hand of a righteous God, who inflicted it especially by the agency of one of his angels (2 Sam. 24,16; comp. 2 kings xix, 35), and was according looked upon as the proper author of every afflictive disρensation. (comp. Isa. 14, 12), and interpret the whole passage as referring to the punishment [of the King of Babylon].
The Satan doctrine is one of the most deceptive and corrupt doctrines to ever enter Christendom, and which has been embraced and promoted by false teachers for thousands of years.
Much "Satanic" lore does not originate from actual Satanists, but from Christians. Best-known would be the medieval folklore and theology surrounding demons and witches.
Reading Isa 14:4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible.
Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.

 

[Sammy-San]

Your question doesn't make sense to me sorry.

You said female has to exist for reproduction but male doesnt.

 

[Sammy-San]

Because of what both mean....an important angel is the same as a bright star.



That's because before becoming the Devil he was an archangel/bright star.

Doesn't helel refer to brightness?

 

[Sammy-San]

The first sentence isn't good enough as evidence. The second is a reference to Satan's way governing not his personal appearance. Scripture says Satan is disguised as an angel of light which is the opposite of appearing monstrous.

Doesn't that verse refer to a deceptive nature?

 

[ewq1938]

You said female has to exist for reproduction but male doesnt.

No, I said females mean there is reproduction but an all male population does not mean any reproduction is intended. It's the introduction of a female that started the concept of reproduction. Simply being male does not equal "there must be some type of reproduction".

 

[ewq1938]

Doesn't helel refer to brightness?

Not exactly. It's root word does but helel means the morning star specifically.

 

[Sammy-San]

No, I said females mean there is reproduction but an all male population does not mean any reproduction is intended. It's the introduction of a female that started the concept of reproduction. Simply being male does not equal "there must be some type of reproduction".

Are angels male or female?

Gender in language, then, is not to be understood strictly in terms of sexuality. Rather, the masculine gender pronouns applied to spirit beings throughout Scripture are more a reference to authority than to sex. God always refers to Himself in the masculine. The Holy Spirit is never described as an “it.” God is personal and authoritative—thus, the personal pronouns in the masculine gender. It would simply be inappropriate to refer to heavenly beings as anything other than masculine because of the authority God has granted to them to wield His power (2 Kings 19:35), carry His messages (Luke 2:10), and represent Him on earth.

 

[ewq1938]

Doesn't that verse refer to a deceptive nature?

No. It's referring to a deceptive appearance. He will look like an angel of light ie: a holy Angelic being.

This is a similar concept:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

The horns make him look peaceful and not dangerous but his words will be poisonous like a serpent. FYI a dragon is simply a large serpent.

 

[ewq1938]

Are angels male or female?

The answer is all angels are male.

 

[Sammy-San]

The answer is all angels are male.

Did you disagree with the comments on angelic authority?

 

[Sammy-San]

No. It's referring to a deceptive appearance. He will look like an angel of light ie: a holy Angelic being.

This is a similar concept:

Rev 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

The horns make him look peaceful and not dangerous but his words will be poisonous like a serpent. FYI a dragon is simply a large serpent.

Is that all of that just symbolic?