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For I was discussing with another the other day on the reality of music and how it truly transcends all theological barriers/camps....also known as "The Universal Language" since 2 people can speak differing languages and yet in playing music they'll have something in common...and it occured how odd it is to see some of the dynamics coming from ministries opposing those who're apart of things such as "Health & Wealth"/"Prosperity" theology.
In example, one individual who has been discussed on the boards before is a man known as Joel Osteen--whom many like and whom others dislike when it comes to his theology....and I've been in many churches that critique him extensively (with many points valid on where he may be in error). Whether Baptists, Charismatic, Reformed or many other theological camps, Osteen has been critised in them all...
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However, those same churches many times had the "Praise & Worship" CD's playing in their churches by people such as Israel Hougton and New Breed----a Christian Worship leader/singer, mostly known for his cross-cultural style of Christian Musicthat fuses elements from Gospel Music, Jazz and Rock as well a Regaee flavors. For more info, one can go to CBN Interview with Israel Houghton ...or to hear music, Israel Houghton - Say So (Hillsong Conference ...
I love his music and many of the songs he has made that I hear often in nearly all camps of the Christian World---such as "Rejoice in the Lord Always", "I am a friend of God", "Lord You Are Good", "He Knows My Name", "We Give You Honor..." and many others. But what's intriguing to me is that Israel started out at Joel's Church...and is STILL a worship leader at Osteen's Church in Houston, TX. And all without question, the same churches that loved Houghton's music/celebrated it were quick to defend the use of Israel's contemporary music for corporate worship...yet discounted the reality of where the man's songs came from.
To me, that seems no different than having a neighbor whom I dislike for many reasons...and yet, I utilize materials his family has such as using his uncle's lawnmower loaned to him to cut my yard just like others in the neighborhood do....and though we all say we appreciate the resource, we have a townhall meeting to bash the man/forget how all of us were benefited by him/connected.
The same dynamic has often been seen in many other ministries---as I saw it often with other musicians I grew up with in the Charismatic Movement---people like Helen Baylor, who does Gospel Music/shared her testimony around the world of how God set her free from drugs....even though she goes to Fredrick Prices's church.....and others like Ron Kenoly, whose music was universal in the myriad of elements he used and how much it crossed many camps...with many old school songs such as "Lift Him Up", "Can't Stop Praising His Name", "Ancient of Days" and many others. For a sample of the OLD School songs He made, one can go here---as there's truly nothing else like it.
Same with Karen Wheaton, who was often on TBN even though her worship music was utilized for its leaning toward aggressive praising of the Lord/declaring what He has said.
The same also happened with with using the music of Tye Tribbet /Kirk Franklin from T.D Jakes Church...or using the music of Ce Ce Winans and many others. Same with using the music of others such as Chris Tomlin or "Third Day" in many churches even though those churches may not like his going to a Mega-Church with Andy Stanley, Rick Warren and various others---even though the same musicians have done work with all other theological camps willingly for the sake of the Gospel/Aiding the Saints.
Am I the only one here seeing what appears to be an inconsistency? Why does it seem that in many things such as Music, the CHurch is united deeply and yet unable to acknowledge it if it means actually having to show appreciation to another whom they dislike intensely?
1 Peter 2:17
Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
1 Peter 2:16-18 /1 Peter 2
I brought this issue up elsewhere on another discussion forum...but it's something I've been wrestling on for awhile.Show proper respect to everyone: Love the brotherhood of believers, fear God, honor the king.
1 Peter 2:16-18 /1 Peter 2
Ephesians 4/Ephesians 4:8
Unity in the Body of Christ
1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spiritjust as you were called to one hope when you were called 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8This is why it[a] says:
"When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men."[b] 9(What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
Unity in the Body of Christ
1As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4There is one body and one Spiritjust as you were called to one hope when you were called 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. 7But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8This is why it[a] says:
"When he ascended on high,
he led captives in his train
and gave gifts to men."[b] 9(What does "he ascended" mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11It was he who gave some to be apostles, some to be prophets, some to be evangelists, and some to be pastors and teachers, 12to prepare God's people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.
For I was discussing with another the other day on the reality of music and how it truly transcends all theological barriers/camps....also known as "The Universal Language" since 2 people can speak differing languages and yet in playing music they'll have something in common...and it occured how odd it is to see some of the dynamics coming from ministries opposing those who're apart of things such as "Health & Wealth"/"Prosperity" theology.
In example, one individual who has been discussed on the boards before is a man known as Joel Osteen--whom many like and whom others dislike when it comes to his theology....and I've been in many churches that critique him extensively (with many points valid on where he may be in error). Whether Baptists, Charismatic, Reformed or many other theological camps, Osteen has been critised in them all...
However, those same churches many times had the "Praise & Worship" CD's playing in their churches by people such as Israel Hougton and New Breed----a Christian Worship leader/singer, mostly known for his cross-cultural style of Christian Musicthat fuses elements from Gospel Music, Jazz and Rock as well a Regaee flavors. For more info, one can go to CBN Interview with Israel Houghton ...or to hear music, Israel Houghton - Say So (Hillsong Conference ...
I love his music and many of the songs he has made that I hear often in nearly all camps of the Christian World---such as "Rejoice in the Lord Always", "I am a friend of God", "Lord You Are Good", "He Knows My Name", "We Give You Honor..." and many others. But what's intriguing to me is that Israel started out at Joel's Church...and is STILL a worship leader at Osteen's Church in Houston, TX. And all without question, the same churches that loved Houghton's music/celebrated it were quick to defend the use of Israel's contemporary music for corporate worship...yet discounted the reality of where the man's songs came from.
To me, that seems no different than having a neighbor whom I dislike for many reasons...and yet, I utilize materials his family has such as using his uncle's lawnmower loaned to him to cut my yard just like others in the neighborhood do....and though we all say we appreciate the resource, we have a townhall meeting to bash the man/forget how all of us were benefited by him/connected.
The same dynamic has often been seen in many other ministries---as I saw it often with other musicians I grew up with in the Charismatic Movement---people like Helen Baylor, who does Gospel Music/shared her testimony around the world of how God set her free from drugs....even though she goes to Fredrick Prices's church.....and others like Ron Kenoly, whose music was universal in the myriad of elements he used and how much it crossed many camps...with many old school songs such as "Lift Him Up", "Can't Stop Praising His Name", "Ancient of Days" and many others. For a sample of the OLD School songs He made, one can go here---as there's truly nothing else like it.
Same with Karen Wheaton, who was often on TBN even though her worship music was utilized for its leaning toward aggressive praising of the Lord/declaring what He has said.
The same also happened with with using the music of Tye Tribbet /Kirk Franklin from T.D Jakes Church...or using the music of Ce Ce Winans and many others. Same with using the music of others such as Chris Tomlin or "Third Day" in many churches even though those churches may not like his going to a Mega-Church with Andy Stanley, Rick Warren and various others---even though the same musicians have done work with all other theological camps willingly for the sake of the Gospel/Aiding the Saints.
Am I the only one here seeing what appears to be an inconsistency? Why does it seem that in many things such as Music, the CHurch is united deeply and yet unable to acknowledge it if it means actually having to show appreciation to another whom they dislike intensely?
LOVE that guy
