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Louis Farrakhan on Jesus at the Million Man March

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by Humble_Disciple, Aug 7, 2021.

  1. Hammster

    Hammster OBSTREPEROUSNESS Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I’m pretty sure that goading me won’t help. :)
     
  2. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    I'm not goading -- I'm explaining why I asked a question.... a question you're refusing to address.
     
  3. Humble_Disciple

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    Has anyone ever wondered if the wild stuff the Nation of Islam teaches like there being a mother-ship and supporting Dianetics are just a troll so the media doesn't know what they are really all about?
     
  4. Hammster

    Hammster OBSTREPEROUSNESS Staff Member Site Advisor Supporter

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    I explained why.
     
  5. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    I must have missed it. If it's not too much trouble, could you please direct me to the relevant post?
     
  6. anna ~ grace

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    No… I think some religions are just so transparently false, that these glaring issues are actually meant to stand out, and hopefully help people discern that there’s nothing good there.
     
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  7. Hammster

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  8. Humble_Disciple

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    Malcolm X's wife spoke at the Million Man March.
     
  9. Hammster

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    Do not be bound together with unbelievers; for what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness, or what fellowship has light with darkness? Or what harmony has Christ with Belial, or what has a believer in common with an unbeliever? Or what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For we are the temple of the living God; just as God said,
    “I will dwell in them and walk among them;
    And I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
    “Therefore, come out from their midst and be separate,” says the Lord.
    “And do not touch what is unclean;
    And I will welcome you.
    “And I will be a father to you,
    And you shall be sons and daughters to Me,”
    Says the Lord Almighty.
    2 Corinthians 6:14-18
     
  10. TLK Valentine

    TLK Valentine You will be who you will be. We are our choices.

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    So, an ominous comment about "marking" a man you clearly disagree with, and a flat refusal to explain the meaning of it, knowing full well that, generally speaking, the life of a "marked" man tends to be unpleasant... and often short.

    marked man
    /ˈmärkəd man/

    noun
    1. a person who is singled out for special treatment, especially to be harmed or killed.
      "he said what they did was wrong and he may well be a marked man now"

    This does not bode well...
     
  11. Humble_Disciple

    Humble_Disciple Well-Known Member

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    1 Corinthians 8:2-3
    Anyone who claims to know all the answers doesn’t really know very much. But the person who loves God is the one whom God recognizes.

    James 4:12
    There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
     
  12. ThatRobGuy

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    Well, to a couple of your statements

    Louis has
    - Blamed Jews for the Slave Trade (Israeli Government Policies wouldn't even be in play on that one, as the timelines wouldn't jive)
    - Called them Blood Sucking Deceivers of the American people
    - Said "Pedophilia and sexual perversion institutionalized in Hollywood and the entertainment industries can be traced to Jewish influence"
    - Also said "You are the synagogue of Satan, and you have wrapped your tentacles around the U.S. government, and you are deceiving and sending this nation to hell."

    None of those things had anything to do with Israeli government policies, those were pointed remarks he made about Jews as people.

    This is a talking point that, while technically true, ignores a few key distinctions...

    1) The propensity of groups to act on the described violence.

    2) The demeanor of the "hero of the story" so to speak.

    The Amish use the Bible as their main holy text (whether the German Martin Luther version, or for English, the KJV), yet, despite some of the violence in the text (which you alluded to), nobody has every laid awake at night worried about the Amish. And I'm confident any political cartoonist could make a cartoon mocking the Amish or any author could write a book critical of them, and wouldn't have to be in fear for their safety.

    To my second point, despite the book itself having more violence (the OT has more violence as a whole than the Koran), you have to look at the "hero of the story" so to speak to see what kind of potential effect it could have on followers.

    It's not hard to see the difference between biblical accounts of Jesus and the Koran's accounts of Muhammed in terms of their tone and demeanor.

    I've read large parts of both books, despite the bible having more violence in it per volume, I can't recall any verses or supposed quotes by Jesus giving instructions on the proper way to torture a confession out of someone, or outlining the "proper procedure" to forcefully convert someone using violence.
     
  13. ThatRobGuy

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    And some additional background on Farrakhan's former exploits.

    WHITE SUPREMACISTS VOICE SUPPORT OF FARRAKHAN (Published 1985)

    Seems like you'd have to be "a special kind of Anti-Jewish" in order to, as a Black man, be courted by KKK and neo-nazi leaders.

    Art Jones, a white supremacist in Chicago, declared: ''The enemy of my enemy he is my friend. I salute Louis Farrakhan and anyone else who stands up against the Jews.''

    'A Rotting Carcass'

    Another, Thomas Metzger, a former Klan leader in California, was quoted as saying in an address Saturday night: ''America is like a rotting carcass. The Jews are living off the carcass like the parasites they are. Farrakhan understands this.''
     
  14. Humble_Disciple

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    In his first interview with Phil Donahue, Louis Farrakhan answered the accusation of antisemitism, as well as other criticisms:


    Like the Old Testament prophets, he has a right to point out the hypocrisy of those who claim to be Jewish while violating God's law.

    If Farrakhan is a racist, then black civil rights organizations and the Congressional Black Caucus need to repent of being involved with him.
     
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  16. Humble_Disciple

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    Where is that taught in the Koran?

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  17. Hammster

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    Those aren’t relevant. But thanks for playing.
     
  18. Humble_Disciple

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    What Satan intends for evil, God can use for good:

    Genesis 50:20
    You intended to harm me, but God intended it for good to accomplish what is now being done, the saving of many lives.

    It would be very wrong to say that the Nation of Islam, in its extensive history, hasn't contributed anything positive to the cause of civil rights. And the Million Man March, which Louis Farrakhan sponsored, created positive change in many people's lives, as shown in the OP.
     
  19. anna ~ grace

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    Slay those who - despite having been vouchsafed revelation [aforetime] -do not believe either in Allah or the Last Day, and do not consider forbidden that which Allah and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not follow the religion of truth, till they pay the exemption tax with a willing hand, after having been humbled.

    Surah 9 Aya 29

    The Quran contradicts itself all over the place on this matter.
     
  20. Humble_Disciple

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    In the Old Testament, God commands the Israelites, on several occasions, to slaughter entire Gentile villages, including infant children.

    Peter, on the night of Jesus' betrayal, cuts the ear of a man with the very sword which, in Luke, Jesus told him to purchase.

    In Revelation, Jesus returns to slay the wicked of the earth.
     
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