Losing Salvation by Sinning?

[bcbsr]

This question is for those who believe salvation can be lost based upon one's ongoing performance. Does a Christian lose his salvation when he commits a sin?

 

[DW1980]

No.

I believe you can "lose" salvation when you willfully reject Jesus. It's not a day-by-day performance test, it's about where you place your trust. Jesus' sacrifice is big enough to cover all our sins, but we need to accept it. It follows that if we have free will to accept, we also have free will to reject that later. That would be when someone "lost/gave up" salvation.

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

Can a truly born-again Christian, who has had their sins forgiven, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ, indwelt by God the Holy Spirit, ever be lost? The Bible's answer is NO. For those who live as though they had never been saved, lives of sinfulness, their salvation would be called into question. The Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13, will tell us where we are at.

 

[SkyWriting]

This question is for those who believe salvation can be lost based upon one's ongoing performance. Does a Christian lose his salvation when he commits a sin?

No. When scripture makes such references about performance, it is informing believers that sin and the evidence of sin may be visible. It is saying that you can find examples of the lost by observing their self-destructive behaviors or crimes against others. You can be sure that while Jesus derided thieves, he didn't condemn people who stole food or slaves who broke rules to survive.

All the "sins" listed in scripture are possible visible signs of sin, not a final condemnation of the persons involved. Moses hid bodies in the sand after he killed people. He turned out alright.

 

[GodsGrace101]

This question is for those who believe salvation can be lost based upon one's ongoing performance. Does a Christian lose his salvation when he commits a sin?

No.

 

[GodsGrace101]

Can a truly born-again Christian, who has had their sins forgiven, washed in the blood of Jesus Christ, indwelt by God the Holy Spirit, ever be lost? The Bible's answer is NO. For those who live as though they had never been saved, lives of sinfulness, their salvation would be called into question. The Parable of the Sower in Matthew 13, will tell us where we are at.

The bible's answer is YES.
Luke 8:13

JESUS SAID that those were saved for a while, TEMPORARILY.
Saved Temporarily.

Not, unsaved...

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

How does Hebrews 10:19-31 apply to born again believers, who are being addressed here?

"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by the way which he dedicated for us, a new and living way, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having a great priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in fulness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience: and having our body washed with pure water, let us hold fast the confession of our hope that it waver not; for he is faithful that promised: and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and good works; not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another ; and so much the more, as ye see the day drawing nigh. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.A man that hath set at nought Moses law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

None of what is said here, is addressed to the unsaved.

 

[GodsGrace101]

No. When scripture makes such references about performance, it is informing believers that sin and the evidence of sin may be visible. It is saying that you can find examples of the lost by observing their self-destructive behaviors or crimes against others. You can be sure that while Jesus derided thieves, he didn't condemn people who stole food or slaves who broke rules to survive.

All the "sins" listed in scripture are possible visible signs of sin, not a final condemnation of the persons involved. Moses hid bodies in the sand after he killed people. He turned out alright.

What does your second paragraph mean?

 

[GodsGrace101]

How does Hebrews 10:19-31 apply to born again believers, who are being addressed here?

"Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holy place by the blood of Jesus, by the way which he dedicated for us, a new and living way, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; and having a great priest over the house of God; let us draw near with a true heart in fulness of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience: and having our body washed with pure water, let us hold fast the confession of our hope that it waver not; for he is faithful that promised: and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and good works; not forsaking our own assembling together, as the custom of some is, but exhorting one another ; and so much the more, as ye see the day drawing nigh. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more a sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and a fierceness of fire which shall devour the adversaries.A man that hath set at nought Moses law dieth without compassion on the word of two or three witnesses: of how much sorer punishment, think ye, shall he be judged worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? For we know him that said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense. And again, The Lord shall judge his people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God."

None of what is said here, is addressed to the unsaved.

Right.
So why write it?
Because salvation CAN be lost.

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

The bible's answer is YES.
Luke 8:13

JESUS SAID that those were saved for a while, TEMPORARILY.
Saved Temporarily.

Not, unsaved...

Read John 5:24, where Jesus says that those who have been born again, have ALREADY (so the Greek) passed from death to life! The transition has already taken place for the truly saved!

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

Right.
So why write it?
Because salvation CAN be lost.

These are HARD sayings that are in the Bible, which we cannot ignore, but must be studied prayerfully with the other Scriptures on the same subject, to see what the Bible does teach

 

[GodsGrace101]

Read John 5:24, where Jesus says that those who have been born again, have ALREADY (so the Greek) passed from death to life! The transition has already taken place for the truly saved!

I agree.
As long as we abide with Jesus, we are saved and have eternal life. But what if we don't abide with Him?

John 15:1-6 Jesus said:

1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. "

 

[GodsGrace101]

These are HARD sayings that are in the Bible, which we cannot ignore, but must be studied prayerfully with the other Scriptures on the same subject, to see what the Bible does teach

What does the bible teach?
That we can do those things spoken of by Paul and still be saved?
Galatians 2:17-21

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

I agree.
As long as we abide with Jesus, we are saved and have eternal life. But what if we don't abide with Him?

John 15:1-6 Jesus said:

1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. "

is your salvation dependent on you, or on the Power of God? What does 1 Peter 1:3-5 say?

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time"

 

[SkyWriting]

What does your second paragraph mean?

It means that a man spanking his child is not automatically a pedophile.
Non-working people are not classed as sloths.
Fat people are not classed as worshipers of food.

The sins listed in scripture are possible visible signs of sinning, not conclusive.
What Does the Bible Say About Judging On Appearances?

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

What does the bible teach?
That we can do those things spoken of by Paul and still be saved?
Galatians 2:17-21

answer is in #3

 

[SkyWriting]

I agree.
As long as we abide with Jesus, we are saved and have eternal life. But what if we don't abide with Him?

John 15:1-6 Jesus said:

1“I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser. 2“Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit, He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit, He prunes it so that it may bear more fruit. 3“You are already clean because of the word which I have spoken to you. 4“Abide in Me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself unless it abides in the vine, so neither can you unless you abide in Me. 5“I am the vine, you are the branches; he who abides in Me and I in him, he bears much fruit, for apart from Me you can do nothing. 6“If anyone does not abide in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up; and they gather them, and cast them into the fire and they are burned. "

There are sinners who trust God and saints who don't.
It's cut and dried.

 

[GodsGrace101]

There are sinners who trust God and saints who don't.
It's cut and dried.

I think saints trust God...
How else could they be saints?

 

[GodsGrace101]

is your salvation dependent on you, or on the Power of God? What does 1 Peter 1:3-5 say?

"Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ! In his great mercy he has given us new birth into a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, and into an inheritance that can never perish, spoil or fade. This inheritance is kept in heaven for you, who through faith are shielded by God’s power until the coming of the salvation that is ready to be revealed in the last time"

1 Peter 1:3-5
The inheritance which could never spoil or fade is kept in heaven for us.

Who through FAITH are shielded by God's power.

Agreed.

If we have faith............we're saved.
If we lose faith.............we're not saved.

1 Peter 1:15-17
1 Peter 1:8-9 "obtaining as the OUTCOME OF YOUR FAITH the salvation of your souls. "

 

[TheBibleIsTruth]

1 Peter 1:3-5
The inheritance which could never spoil or fade is kept in heaven for us.

Who through FAITH are shielded by God's power.

Agreed.

If we have faith............we're saved.
If we lose faith.............we're not saved.

1 Peter 1:15-17
1 Peter 1:8-9 "obtaining as the OUTCOME OF YOUR FAITH the salvation of your souls. "

How does one loose their faith?