Lord's Prayer: Pope Francis calls for change

[rockytopva]

Pope wants Lord's Prayer changed

The current wording that says "lead us not into temptation" is not a good translation because God does not lead humans to sin, he says.

His suggestion is to use "do not let us fall into temptation" instead, he told Italian TV on Wednesday night.

The pontiff said France's Roman Catholic Church was now using the new wording "do not let us fall into temptation" as an alternative, and something similar should be used worldwide.

 

[FireDragon76]

Jesus is really talking about the Last Judgment and the reiteration of the Jewish concept of the "Two Ways". Not about God tempting people to sin. The Islamic prayer Al-Fatiha or Exordium has a similar ending.

 

[bint3]

Why do you think he decided that it should be changed? What is the major benefit of it? I'd like to hear some opinions of why it should stay the same...and other opinions on why it should change. Thanks.

 

[Tallguy88]

He's just saying what he would like, he hasn't actually made a change. He was just asked about the new French translation, which was made by the French bishops, not by the Pope.

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/jimmy-akin/no-pope-francis-is-not-changing-the-lords-prayer

 

[Ron Gurley]

DO NOT EVER CHANGE the words of Jesus the Christ!

Matthew 6 (NASB)
6 But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you.
7 “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do,
for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.
8 So do not be like them; for your Father knows what you need before you ask Him.

9 “Pray, then, in this way: (The Model Prayer for Christ-followers)
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10
‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
11
‘Give us this day our daily bread.
12
‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13
‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from (the) evil (one).

[For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]

14 For if you forgive others for their transgressions,
your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 But if you do not forgive others,
then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

 

[Ron Gurley]

Methinks Frankie is losing it!

 

[tz620q]

DO NOT EVER CHANGE the words of Jesus the Christ!
‘Our Father who is in heaven,
Hallowed be Your name.
10
‘Your kingdom come.
Your will be done,
On earth as it is in heaven.
11
‘Give us this day our daily bread.
12
‘And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors.
13
‘And do not lead us into temptation, but deliver us from (the) evil (one).

[For Yours is the kingdom and the power and the glory forever. Amen.’]

Do you say the part in brackets above? If so, why? What is the history of this addition?

 

[Ron Gurley]

RE: #7
Yes. Biblical. Unknown tradition.

 

[tz620q]

RE: #7
Yes. Biblical. Unknown tradition.

I assume by saying it is biblical you mean that it does not express an unbiblical truth and I would think nearly all Christian would agree with that; but it is a change from the text in Matthew. On the origin of this change, you will find the Lord's Prayer with the added Doxology in the Didache. So if it was an addition to the Matthew text, it was from a very early tradition. Where this tradition originally started is not known.